Strategy Trade and List Management thread 4 (Be sure to huddle around your transitor radio at 11 am Edition)

Is the Stringer situation beyond repair?

  • The club clearly want him out the door.

  • This was just a shot across Jakes bow as a means of motivating him.

  • The club is clearly a rabble. Sack Macca!

  • This is just the first play in massive trade that we are not yet privy to.

  • This is a game of blink and Jake and Conners just blinked.

  • Its time to move on a negotiate the best deal we can.

  • I felt sad for Jake on that stage today.

  • We've warned you about creating polls Norm!

  • The Jack 'Armageddon option' Watts option


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Dogsman16

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I don't see why Jake would want to move to another club. Their coach is going to tell him the exact same thing about expectations. He isn't going to get a free run elsewhere. Stay with your mates and put in the hard yards.
I'd put a large wager that Jake lacks in the smarts department.

Legit does he think he's going to get away with his all to often 'insipid' efforts at other clubs.
 

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He's soooo valuable. Don't be fooled. Stringer holds gargantuous currency, AND he's contracted so we hold 100% of the power here. We're bending someone over for once.

In terms of options:

North - This years first (pick 4) OR 2018 first (preferable, but our sheepish supporters will have no foresight and blow up).

Essendon - Pick 12 AND next years first (approx 14-18. I expect them to get much, much better).

Geelong - They have next to nothing to offer us. Next years first doesn't get it done. Mitch Duncan would make me jump for joy, Cockatoo appeals and is Jong with footy smarts and a good leg.

St Kilda - Pick 7 or 8. Pretty much right on the money.

Carlton - Pick 3. Not sure they're smart enough to be in the hunt, but Jake would immediately be a franchise player for them. Strap him to Cripps for preseason and teach him some f***** professionalism. Hope Pat belts the shit out of him every time he trips up to show him how an AFL standard player conducts himself off-field.

Collingwood, Melbourne and the Tigers won't have cap room.
Dale, you are one of the most balanced and realistic posters and I highly respect your opinions. Can you explain the benefit of accepting 2018 picks as a preference when we are in the "now" window. I understand Rhylee being desired, and the depth of 2018 being considerably better. But anything gained at that draft won't play until 2019, and peak a few years later. How does this help us now ? Unlilike trading, where the actual pick is important, does the point system not allow us to accumulate a heap of low end picks to garnish enough points for Rhylee ? Surely if we lost Stringer, for at least a 2017 1st rounder, we'd then have 2, to try and prize out a mature, needed, A grade player that has an immediate effect. Interested in your thoughts because I have openly been against getting 2018 picks, just as I am against trading them out. Thanks in advance.
 

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My 2c (+ GST)

1. It's very unlikely the 'players' are upset with Mitch Wallis about his comments. No chance really

2. Bevo has good emotional intelligence and good interpersonal skills. The likelihood of him misreading Jake to this extent are also very slim. Jake's personal life would not have been brought up insensitively as some have suggested.

Having said that, the issues with Jake over the past two years have needed to come to a head one way or the other. I posted a couple of months ago that how Bevo handles Jake will be one of Bev's defining challenges of his coaching career. I am glad he's having this shake up. I think he'll work harder after this. I hope it's at the dogs.
 

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I thought so too until posts this morning and our mate Stevo being so sure.. yes he's been wrong in the past but this looks right
He could be right. Now.
He could be extremely wrong in 5 weeks.
Mitch Wallis almost retired after missing the grand final. 5 or so weeks later he was the hardest worker in the preseason.
The human mind is a strange place.
 

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I'd put a large wager that Jake lacks in the smarts department.

Legit does he think he's going to get away with his all to often 'insipid' efforts at other clubs.
He wanted to stay until the club told him he would be traded if they got a good offer. Not sure it's a matter of thinking he can get away with anything, he is just reacting to the news
 

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Dale, you are one of the most balanced and realistic posters and I highly respect your opinions. Can you explain the benefit of accepting 2018 picks as a preference when we are in the "now" window. I understand Rhylee being desired, and the depth of 2018 being considerably better. But anything gained at that draft won't play until 2019, and peak a few years later. How does this help us now ? Unlilike trading, where the actual pick is important, does the point system not allow us to accumulate a heap of low end picks to garnish enough points for Rhylee ? Surely if we lost Stringer, for at least a 2017 1st rounder, we'd then have 2, to try and prize out a mature, needed, A grade player that has an immediate effect. Interested in your thoughts because I have openly been against getting 2018 picks, just as I am against trading them out. Thanks in advance.
Dale will probably give you a better answer but my opinion is we aren't so much in the "now" window. Last year was something special, but look at our age profile. Look at our performance this year. Even if our window is open we're not in a position where it's about to close any time soon. We can make longer term, higher payoff decisions instead of rushing things and getting less to show for it. Next years draft looks very strong and full of talls. Whoever goes pick 1 this year will would struggle to go top ten next year. A top five pick this year is pretty uninspiring whereas we could get someone really special next year. I'm happy to wait. And there's also the chance a North or Carlton gives us theirs and the get the spoon. As for getting an established player now, I'd be all for it if there was someone available. I really can't see who it would be.
 

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I'd put a large wager that Jake lacks in the smarts department.

Legit does he think he's going to get away with his all to often 'insipid' efforts at other clubs.
I've often wondered about his smarts to. Sometimes it's not until later in your working life that you realise that anyone and everyone is dispensable and replaceable. He's probably stunned at the moment.
 
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Dale, you are one of the most balanced and realistic posters and I highly respect your opinions. Can you explain the benefit of accepting 2018 picks as a preference when we are in the "now" window. I understand Rhylee being desired, and the depth of 2018 being considerably better. But anything gained at that draft won't play until 2019, and peak a few years later. How does this help us now ? Unlilike trading, where the actual pick is important, does the point system not allow us to accumulate a heap of low end picks to garnish enough points for Rhylee ? Surely if we lost Stringer, for at least a 2017 1st rounder, we'd then have 2, to try and prize out a mature, needed, A grade player that has an immediate effect. Interested in your thoughts because I have openly been against getting 2018 picks, just as I am against trading them out. Thanks in advance.
I'm going off what I've heard of the 2018 draft class, it's apparently pretty special. This gets said most years though so don't take it as gospel.

Who says we use that 2018 pick? If it's considered valuable, we might package it up with something and grab a now player anyway. Just want the most value for Jake. We'll get it too. If we dont, then its bye bye for Macca.

What mature A graders are there out and about that are realistically gettable? That is the million dollar question my man.
 

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Some gross overestimation of his value going on ITT

2 late firsts, top 5 picks and Mitch Duncan not being worth half of his value? Ludicrous, and made even more so by the fact that you guys have acknowledged he and the club both want him gone.

Open market value at the moment would probably be a pick in the late teens/early twenties.
 

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I'm 100 percent behind Bevo here. He calls the shots. If that means that Stringer goes and we only get picks (hopefully good ones) and not a player so be it.

We will find a way. It's not as if Stringer was a crucial element of our premiership anyway. Certainly wasn't in our top 15 players in finals.

Adams to push forward, Dale to become a good small/medium forward, maybe a smart trade of someone like Watts. Boyd to lift. We will be fine!
 

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Some gross overestimation of his value going on ITT

2 late firsts, top 5 picks and Mitch Duncan not being worth half of his value? Ludicrous, and made even more so by the fact that you guys have acknowledged he and the club both want him gone.

Open market value at the moment would probably be a pick in the late teens/early twenties.
lol lids got tigers a late 1st rounder , and you think stringer is the same
 

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Some gross overestimation of his value going on ITT

2 late firsts, top 5 picks and Mitch Duncan not being worth half of his value? Ludicrous, and made even more so by the fact that you guys have acknowledged he and the club both want him gone.

Open market value at the moment would probably be a pick in the late teens/early twenties.
You would be very wrong. His value would sit around pick 5-7. Even moreso in a weak draft class.
 

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Barrett has sunk the boots into us in the latest sliding doors. Suggesting more players will want out. He's been waiting for this moment for a few years
 

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Some gross overestimation of his value going on ITT

2 late firsts, top 5 picks and Mitch Duncan not being worth half of his value? Ludicrous, and made even more so by the fact that you guys have acknowledged he and the club both want him gone.

Open market value at the moment would probably be a pick in the late teens/early twenties.
He is a premiership player, previous AA, and has lead our goal kicking in previous years. We don't want him to go, we want him to work harder to realise his mercurial talent.
 

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Some gross overestimation of his value going on ITT

2 late firsts, top 5 picks and Mitch Duncan not being worth half of his value? Ludicrous, and made even more so by the fact that you guys have acknowledged he and the club both want him gone.

Open market value at the moment would probably be a pick in the late teens/early twenties.
I probably wouldn't come to an opposition board and presume to tell supporters of its football club what one of its players is worth.
 

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If true and more players want out I'll be absolutely gobsmacked. How can a team that just won the flag selfimplode so quickly?
He's also referencing 'off the playing list' which is what he went with last week. Maybe some assistant coaches or other admin staff wanting out, nothing to be overly concerned about yet.
 

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Can we stop the "we want him out so we'll get bent over in a trade" thread??

Seriously. He's contracted, and he wants out. Not denying the coach wants him moved, but we have all the leverage here.
Definitely agree we've got leverage just think the way this has all happened has taken away some of that leverage. If it's known there's been a massive falling out, we want him gone and there's no way this can be fixed then surely that weakens our position a little? Hopefully that's just media blowing things up though.
 

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Some gross overestimation of his value going on ITT

2 late firsts, top 5 picks and Mitch Duncan not being worth half of his value? Ludicrous, and made even more so by the fact that you guys have acknowledged he and the club both want him gone.

Open market value at the moment would probably be a pick in the late teens/early twenties.
The same goes for Schache then yes?
 
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