Strategy Trade and List Management thread 4 (Be sure to huddle around your transitor radio at 11 am Edition)

Is the Stringer situation beyond repair?

  • The club clearly want him out the door.

  • This was just a shot across Jakes bow as a means of motivating him.

  • The club is clearly a rabble. Sack Macca!

  • This is just the first play in massive trade that we are not yet privy to.

  • This is a game of blink and Jake and Conners just blinked.

  • Its time to move on a negotiate the best deal we can.

  • I felt sad for Jake on that stage today.

  • We've warned you about creating polls Norm!

  • The Jack 'Armageddon option' Watts option


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I see Boyd do one or two of those twice a year and get excited. Thank god he chose the prelim and GC as his cameos for 2016. I just think the camps on this forum re Red fall into those who blame Redpath and those who blame our a absolutely ******* horrible delivery from anyone except bontempelli. If he goes to Carlton or Hawthorn and kicks a bag every week (or not) one of the camps will feel justified. If he stays I suspect we will never know
Not sure how our delivery stops him from hitting packs hard and competing uhder tue high ball.
I'm sure he could kick bags elsewhere but it'll be at the expense of forward pressure and alongside a real key forward.
 

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Not sure how our delivery stops him from hitting packs hard and competing uhder tue high ball.
I'm sure he could kick bags elsewhere but it'll be at the expense of forward pressure and alongside a real key forward.
Haha welcome back. I wonder what he could actually do if he ever got to play alongside a real key forward.

Grass is so much greener until you take a mouthful and realise it was moss all along.
 

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^^ this ^^

I love Red's story and having never met him, he seems like a legend of a bloke. BUT a pack crashing power forward Jack is not. Unless it's tits out on a lead he ain't catching it.
Does he have a disease in his fingers that see them bend that
much when he marks the ball, no wonder he drops so many.
 

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Almost Impressive that Red has more contested marks than our rucks until you realise Red averages less than one contested mark per game (0.9 - lol)

You also neglected to mention Red's non existent defensive game.

Red's way of playing - lead, mark and kick and that's it - is diametrically opposed to our game style - fwd pressure and sloppy inside 50 delivery that misses leading targets and high balls.

I'm not saying kick him out the door. But I also wouldn't offer him anything beyond a one year contract. If that results in him leaving so be it.
I'm just not sure what you're expecting from a fairly typical 3rd option in an AFL side. Of course he's not going to provide elite contested marking or the pressure of a small. If he was either of those things then 2 years vs 1 isn't even a conversation. We'd be signing him up on a multi year deal at big money if he could provide contested marking with his set shot ability.

Being able to time a lead up the centre of the ground or at the ball carrier is one of the main things a lot of our more unnatural forwards struggle with. He is one of very few in our team with that instinctual forward ability amongst the chaos of the rest of our forward entries. There aren't many forwards that will come immediately in a draft or immediately via trade that will do this better without costing an absolute mint. To lose a useful player over one year of a contract would be stupid IMO.

Even if 15 games into a 2 year deal he loses his spot in the team or has a bad injury, so what? You've gotta eat 1 year of a bad deal. We just ate two years of Crameri's deal and noone gives a shit. Its not like we're thinking about giving him a Hamish Hartlett 5x700
 

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I'm just not sure what you're expecting from a fairly typical 3rd option in an AFL side. Of course he's not going to provide elite contested marking or the pressure of a small. If he was either of those things then 2 years vs 1 isn't even a conversation. We'd be signing him up on a multi year deal at big money if he could provide contested marking with his set shot ability.

Being able to time a lead up the centre of the ground or at the ball carrier is one of the main things a lot of our more unnatural forwards struggle with. He is one of very few in our team with that instinctual forward ability amongst the chaos of the rest of our forward entries. There aren't many forwards that will come immediately in a draft or immediately via trade that will do this better without costing an absolute mint. To lose a useful player over one year of a contract would be stupid IMO.

Even if 15 games into a 2 year deal he loses his spot in the team or has a bad injury, so what? You've gotta eat 1 year of a bad deal. We just ate two years of Crameri's deal and noone gives a shit. Its not like we're thinking about giving him a Hamish Hartlett 5x700
Interesting view.

For me signing a three knee reco ordinary player with little or no room for improvement to a multi year deal would be madness.

Yes Red can be a good lead. But that's about it. His negatives far outweigh his positives IMO.

Interesting to see where it goes.

(And we only ate the one year of Crameris deal as EFC paid him for the suspension. We've already eaten a year for Red's knee too)
 
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Out of genuine interest. For those who don't rate Redpath, and are advocating letting him go for the sake of a years extra contract, who do we replace him with structurally if Cramers is gone and Boyd struggles to return? Cloke is retiring. Campbell? Roughy? Or someone else we can realistically trade in at a similar price? I'm just not sure what the plan B is that we would be chasing? Someone in the VFL?
 

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Out of genuine interest. For those who don't rate Redpath, and are advocating letting him go for the sake of a years extra contract, who do we replace him with structurally if Cramers is gone and Boyd struggles to return? Cloke is retiring. Campbell? Roughy? Or someone else we can realistically trade in at a similar price? I'm just not sure what the plan B is that we would be chasing? Someone in the VFL?
I would also like to know who the alternative is that provides a skillset similar to him at the same reasonably low cost.
 

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Out of genuine interest. For those who don't rate Redpath, and are advocating letting him go for the sake of a years extra contract, who do we replace him with structurally if Cramers is gone and Boyd struggles to return? Cloke is retiring. Campbell? Roughy? Or someone else we can realistically trade in at a similar price? I'm just not sure what the plan B is that we would be chasing? Someone in the VFL?
Liam Picken. At least he competes in the air and brings the ball to ground.
 

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Out of genuine interest. For those who don't rate Redpath, and are advocating letting him go for the sake of a years extra contract, who do we replace him with structurally if Cramers is gone and Boyd struggles to return? Cloke is retiring. Campbell? Roughy? Or someone else we can realistically trade in at a similar price? I'm just not sure what the plan B is that we would be chasing? Someone in the VFL?
if we can get Lever in and Boyd comes right, then Adams, Stringer, Boyd, Bontempelli, Picken and Dickson looks half decent as a forward line
 

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Call me crazy but i would strongly consider swapping Adams and Stringer and have them play completely different ends of the ground. Adams as the third tall/pack marking forward and have Stringer play as a rebounding defender.

For one Adams would somewhat solve our pack marking problems in the forward line and whilst you wouldnt put Stringer as a key defender he could still be used as a medium defender and a run and carry rebounder. And in anycase Adams cant be worse at defensive pressure and goalkicking than Stringer provides.

Stringer needs a change of role or just a refresher, and id strongly consider using his pace, willingness to take the game on and his good field kicking skills off half back. Not to mention he'd get more of the ball at half back so we could get him involved, and we might cut down on Adams occasional costly brainfade.

Yeah its a radical change but worth a try, also opens up a spot for Lever too.
 

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Call me crazy but i would strongly consider swapping Adams and Stringer and have them play completely different ends of the ground. Adams as the third tall/pack marking forward and have Stringer play as a rebounding defender.

For one Adams would somewhat solve our pack marking problems in the forward line and whilst you wouldnt put Stringer as a key defender he could still be used as a medium defender and a run and carry rebounder. And in anycase Adams cant be worse at defensive pressure and goalkicking than Stringer provides.

Stringer needs a change of role or just a refresher, and id strongly consider using his pace, willingness to take the game on and his good field kicking skills off half back. Not to mention he'd get more of the ball at half back so we could get him involved, and we might cut down on Adams occasional costly brainfade.
I'm not sure how he'd go but I'd love to see Dunks Jnr have a go back there. Great size, pedigree, hard nosed. etc.
 

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It's no coincidence that our forward line has gone to shite without Crameri IMO.
Please forgive me Fronk but I didn't see Crameri during last years finals series? Or at all last year for that matter when we managed to win 15 games despite one of the worst injury runs in the modern era.
 

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They're also either unavailable or at significantly higher costs, or both.
I reckon both may move clubs. Caz is FA and Tippett may be shipped for cap and we have been reported as interested. Speculation but far from unavailable IMO.

As for money - you pay peanuts you get Red.
 

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Please forgive me Fronk but I didn't see Crameri during last years finals series? Or at all last year for that matter when we managed to win 15 games despite one of the worst injury runs in the modern era.
But that's exactly's Fronk's point. Last year we won the flag on the back of historically (quite literally, since records were kept) contested possession and clearance differential combined with solid, if not outstanding, team defence. It wasn't through the actual fluid offensive ball movement or efficiency that won us games, as opposed to bludgeoning teams with sheer weight of dominating territory on the ground.
 

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It's no coincidence that our forward line has gone to shite without Crameri IMO.
It's also no coincidence that Stringer played his best football along side him. In my view Cloke wouldn't get close to a game if Crameri were available. Plays the same role only infinitely better. It's a real shame that the past two seasons have been a complete bust for him. It'll be interesting watching how things pan out for him next year.
 

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But that's exactly's Fronk's point. Last year we won the flag on the back of historically (quite literally, since records were kept) contested possession and clearance differential combined with solid, if not outstanding, team defence. It wasn't through the actual fluid offensive ball movement or efficiency that won us games, as opposed to bludgeoning teams with sheer weight of dominating territory on the ground.
2015 Crameri was excellent but I just don't think he fits the team structure anymore. Too short to be a key target and doesn't add enough to the mid rotations for a medium forward. I don't like him and Stringer in the same forward line.
 

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I think Redpath gets a bad rap on this board. Granted he's no world beater and turns like a Mack truck but keep in mind that out forward line is a jumbled mess most of the time where goals are usually scrambled out of gnarly packs. Even that doyen of leading forwards Jason Dunstall would struggle to lead into space in our forward line. I still think he's worth 2 - 3 goals a game if we can enter our forward half more efficiently. Without him next year we have a rapidly declining Cloke, a lazy, mostly ineffectual Stringer and a part-time ruckman who can't mark the ball in Boyd.
I'm not saying he should definitely be kept next season but unless we can find someone better we should consider it.
As for Crameri, his injury has been most inopportune and when he is fit he gives us a lot of badly needed pace and goal-kicking ability. Like many of you I have no idea what happens with him, with 2 years out of the game he may never recover but who knows - is he worth a 1 year contract?
 

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Not sure how our delivery stops him from hitting packs hard and competing uhder tue high ball.
I'm sure he could kick bags elsewhere but it'll be at the expense of forward pressure and alongside a real key forward.
How many goals would he have to average to offset his lack of defensive pressure? Serious question.
 
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