Strategy Trade and List Management thread 4 (Be sure to huddle around your transitor radio at 11 am Edition)

Is the Stringer situation beyond repair?

  • The club clearly want him out the door.

  • This was just a shot across Jakes bow as a means of motivating him.

  • The club is clearly a rabble. Sack Macca!

  • This is just the first play in massive trade that we are not yet privy to.

  • This is a game of blink and Jake and Conners just blinked.

  • Its time to move on a negotiate the best deal we can.

  • I felt sad for Jake on that stage today.

  • We've warned you about creating polls Norm!

  • The Jack 'Armageddon option' Watts option


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Stoked that Dale has re-signed and has actually gotten a lot of games this year. He'd be close to your most improved player this year? It comes as no surprise to anybody who knew him growing up that he's doing well at the highest level. He should go on to have a great career and be one of your key players in the future.

He can have an off game Saturday though ;)
 

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Here's what I'd like this off season.

Forget Jake Lever. Great player, but costs a bundle. Get Jackson Trengove in as a free agent. He can pinch hit in rick and play defence. Would be like having two Jordan Rougheads.

Upside is Tom Boyd can then concentrate on being the Key Forward we all hope he can be. He can take contested grabs, bring the ball to deck and is one of our better shots on goal.

Next I'd be right into Kayle Kirby's ear. Yes, fitness issues, yes hasn't played an AFL game, but he's kicking regular small bags at VFL level. Something we could use. I'd cough up a !nd rounder happily for him.

Trade next years first rounder for a first this year. Hopefully having 2 picks inside top 15.

Pick a KPF and a mid with either some burst pace or a great kick. If possible both but that's a tall order.

Trade Red. Trade Crameri. Trade Webb.
Retire Murphy. Retire Boyd.
Delist Prudden. Delist Hamilton. Delist Honeychurch.

If Cloke is indicating he'll leave, keep Red. Not sure what to do with R. Smith or Lynch. Probably keep Lynch as a rookie and elevate Roarke I'd guess.
You have to ask how Kayle Kirby can be leading the VFL goal
kicking and not get a game for Collingwood in a year where
they can't score ? Oscar Allen and Oskar Baker the twin "O"
attack both may have red hair though.
 

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How does drafting a kid KPF and mid fix the NOW problems ? If as you suggest we rid ourselves of Cram and either Red or Cloke we have reduced bigger forward numbers and need to wait years for this new wonderkid to develop ? ( do you have any suggestions who this KPF kid would be at pick 10-18?). A Lever or a Trengove alleviates the existing shortage, adds flexibility to KPP's, and we keep 2018 picks as insurance. I've stated elsewhere why I think trading future picks is fraught with peril, and I'm dead set against it. I'm not sure there is anything in the TAC that could have short term benefit. With Wait and see scenarios surrounding English, Green & NMM I'd much prefer a couple of mature players filling the holes.
A kid doesn't solve the now problems, but in my scenario, I'm putting my eggs in the Tom Boyd basket. I truly believe that Tom is the best answer to our problems that we have.

In hindsight I should have put an asterisk next to Crameri. If the club believe he can get back to somewhere near his 2014/2015 form then sign him up. But after essentially missing 2 years, hip surgery and the club not being impressed after initially being very impressed with his work ethic, that says to me that he's getting traded.

We need to keep one of Redpath or Cloke, not both. I'd prefer Cloke right now even though he has 1-2 years max left in him. Has better knowledge to pass on, better tank, better mark. Red is a better kick but I'm not getting in a bidding war with Carlton for a one-trick pony who's already had 3 acl's and is in mid 20's. So he's not durable, and there's not a huge chance he's going to become a vastly better player, especially considering how we butcher forward 50 entries.

As for experienced key forwards, there's not much quality out there, the two names that bob up are Tippett and Casboult and I'd sooner not have two guys in my forward line who are largely unproven players taking up the better half of $2m in the cap.

History says that you generally get the best forwards right at the top end of the draft. Let's get two picks there, snare one and develop him. Will be cheaper for us as well.

Will it fix us next year? No. But I don't believe a Tippett or a Casboult will help much either.
 

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I'd have a look at Close, would come pretty cheaply.

Then we can still target a young KPF like Allen or Dixon in the draft.
Compromises are fine. I know you are an U/18 follower Wiz, so I ask, any likely KPF at our 1st (even though I'd rather use it for established player) or the more likely 2nd rounder ?
 

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Compromises are fine. I know you are an U/18 follower Wiz, so I ask, any likely KPF at our 1st (even though I'd rather use it for established player) or the more likely 2nd rounder ?
Around our second at this stage. Allen could fall between our picks.

Nick Coffield should be the priority of our first rounder. Has the tools we need and is already mates with Lippy.
 

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A kid doesn't solve the now problems, but in my scenario, I'm putting my eggs in the Tom Boyd basket. I truly believe that Tom is the best answer to our problems that we have.

In hindsight I should have put an asterisk next to Crameri. If the club believe he can get back to somewhere near his 2014/2015 form then sign him up. But after essentially missing 2 years, hip surgery and the club not being impressed after initially being very impressed with his work ethic, that says to me that he's getting traded.

We need to keep one of Redpath or Cloke, not both. I'd prefer Cloke right now even though he has 1-2 years max left in him. Has better knowledge to pass on, better tank, better mark. Red is a better kick but I'm not getting in a bidding war with Carlton for a one-trick pony who's already had 3 acl's and is in mid 20's. So he's not durable, and there's not a huge chance he's going to become a vastly better player, especially considering how we butcher forward 50 entries.

As for experienced key forwards, there's not much quality out there, the two names that bob up are Tippett and Casboult and I'd sooner not have two guys in my forward line who are largely unproven players taking up the better half of $2m in the cap.

History says that you generally get the best forwards right at the top end of the draft. Let's get two picks there, snare one and develop him. Will be cheaper for us as well.

Will it fix us next year? No. But I don't believe a Tippett or a Casboult will help much either.
Fair response mate. Glad you pointed out reliance on Toyd. That's a major reason I don't want to trade future picks. He may return. He may not. He may play one year. He may play 5. You also asterisk Cram now. The reasoning behind my NOW preference was this sick feeling that sans Red, Cloke,Toyd & Cram, we ummm, will struggle for any structure resembling a decent forward line. Hence my preference for a Lever or Trengove. If we don't make finals or bow out early it's going to be a loooong wait til Trade week.
 

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Around our second at this stage. Allen could fall between our picks.

Nick Coffield should be the priority of our first rounder. Has the tools we need and is already mates with Lippy.
If our 1st could get either Lever or Coffield, which way do you go ?
 

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Around our second at this stage. Allen could fall between our picks.

Nick Coffield should be the priority of our first rounder. Has the tools we need and is already mates with Lippy.
Will he be around our first? Only remember the name after Knightmare called him the next Pendlebury.
 

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I reckon Red hurts our structure.

He can't be a second ruck, and isn't a big, drop it on his head forward... but he also can't put forward pressure on.

I think our structure should be 1 big forward, and 1 ruck, that can interchange positions through the match... and that's it!

The rest of the forward group must be natural forwards that are also very equipped at running, zoning, and pressuring.

A simple structure - but it's what is always in place when we look our best (2016 finals, rd 19 vs Essendon).

We actually have currently available pieces for that - Roughead, Cloke, and a variety of decent forwards (Stringer, Dickson, Clay, Dahlhaus).

I just don't see Red being effective in there, without hurting us defensively...
So we advocate Roughy as our number 1 tall forward next year in this scenario.

I'm officially crawling up and cuddling with this guy if it actually happens next season.... :)

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My guesses for the year
Roarke Smith (2017)- Delist/re-rookie
Josh Prudden (2017)- Promote
Brad Lynch (2017) - Keep
Dale Morris (2017) - Offer one year
Declan Hamilton (2017) - Delist
Jack Redpath (2017) - Trade
Lukas Webb (2017) - Trade
Mitch Honeychurch (2017) -Trade
Stewart Crameri (2017)- Trade
Nathan Mullenger-McHugh (2017)- Keep
Tristan Tweedie (2017) - Keep
 

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Surely Prudden is gone, we drafted him in the 2012 draft and he's played 4 games, doesn't have great skills and to be honest isn't going to do super well even if he does break into the team again.
 

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My guesses for the year
Roarke Smith (2017)- Delist/re-rookie
Josh Prudden (2017)- Promote
Brad Lynch (2017) - Keep
Dale Morris (2017) - Offer one year
Declan Hamilton (2017) - Delist
Jack Redpath (2017) - Trade
Lukas Webb (2017) - Trade
Mitch Honeychurch (2017) -Trade
Stewart Crameri (2017)- Trade
Nathan Mullenger-McHugh (2017)- Keep
Tristan Tweedie (2017) - Keep
My guesses for the year
Roarke Smith (2017)- Delist/re-rookie
Josh Prudden (2017)- Delist
Brad Lynch (2017) - Upgrade
Dale Morris (2017) - Offer one year
Declan Hamilton (2017) - Delist
Jack Redpath (2017) - Trade
Lukas Webb (2017) - Trade
Mitch Honeychurch (2017) -Trade
Stewart Crameri (2017)- Trade
Nathan Mullenger-McHugh (2017)- Keep
Tristan Tweedie (2017) - Keep

Only some minor changes for mine
 

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Surely Prudden is gone, we drafted him in the 2012 draft and he's played 4 games, doesn't have great skills and to be honest isn't going to do super well even if he does break into the team again.
Agreed. Unless we think he offers useful depth across a range of positions in a year when we are going to let a few others go.

Because I honestly don't think he adds any value or improvement to the side that has struggled this year.

Where does he improve our side ??

Love his character to come back from injury, but that doesn't keep you on a list for 6 to 8 years....
 

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Fair response mate. Glad you pointed out reliance on Toyd. That's a major reason I don't want to trade future picks. He may return. He may not. He may play one year. He may play 5. You also asterisk Cram now. The reasoning behind my NOW preference was this sick feeling that sans Red, Cloke,Toyd & Cram, we ummm, will struggle for any structure resembling a decent forward line. Hence my preference for a Lever or Trengove. If we don't make finals or bow out early it's going to be a loooong wait til Trade week.
Well in my initial post I said forget Lever because he'll cost somewhere between a 1st and a 2nd and two 1sts. If we can do a Vickery type deal for Trengove to ensure Port take the compo we save ourselves a trade asset. Trade next years first for one this year and get two cracks at one of Brander, Hayes or Allen and then someone that can kick a footy or not waste chances at goal.

Next year we get West in the door and can still trade a 2019 first because the AFL made things up as they went so the "use two firsts in 4 years" rule doesn't start until 2019. So we still have some currency next year to play with.

So essentially I'd like to bring in Trengove (FA), Kirby (2nd) and two first round picks, would set us up nicely.
 

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2015 Crameri was excellent but I just don't think he fits the team structure anymore. Too short to be a key target and doesn't add enough to the mid rotations for a medium forward. I don't like him and Stringer in the same forward line.
Yep

Imo Jong and Dunkley were playing Crameris role last year as that work up and down the ground half forward. Sure they didn't have Crameris goal sense, but they had a crack.

Now this year Mitch Wallis has had to play that role because they're all out injured lol and he's way out of his depth there, add on Boyd has played in the ruck or hasn't played and nearly every other forward except Picken has been dropped or been injured or both this year.

There's no consistency in that area of the ground. Roughy, Boyd and Cordy played the last 8-9 games of the year together last year, the consistency they had playing together at a crucial time of the season was invaluable for us, we haven't had that luxury at all this year, always chopping and changing.
 

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Anybody know if there's any jobs going working alongside Jason McCartney? AFL website published my pipe dream trade of next 2 years first rounders for GC Lynch, working within the AFL seems to be the next logical step :cool:
 

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Well in my initial post I said forget Lever because he'll cost somewhere between a 1st and a 2nd and two 1sts. If we can do a Vickery type deal for Trengove to ensure Port take the compo we save ourselves a trade asset. Trade next years first for one this year and get two cracks at one of Brander, Hayes or Allen and then someone that can kick a footy or not waste chances at goal.

Next year we get West in the door and can still trade a 2019 first because the AFL made things up as they went so the "use two firsts in 4 years" rule doesn't start until 2019. So we still have some currency next year to play with.

So essentially I'd like to bring in Trengove (FA), Kirby (2nd) and two first round picks, would set us up nicely.
I'd still rather use our 1st rounder to trade for a now need and keep our 2018 1st rounder for 2018. Not convinced anything in this years draft is too valuable to go without.
 

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Around our second at this stage. Allen could fall between our picks.

Nick Coffield should be the priority of our first rounder. Has the tools we need and is already mates with Lippy.
A few of the phantom drafts have him going before our first pick even. Jumping up the ranks at a rapid rate it seems!
 

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Is Sam weiderman able to be pried free. Been in the VFL most of the year and Melbournes tall forward stocks look deep.

Worth a crack!
I doubt it, Dees would have told him that they have big plans for him. It helps that he isn't a father-son so there's not driving legacy to keep with the Demons but I doubt he'll be attainable.
 
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