Strategy Trade and List Management thread 4 (Be sure to huddle around your transitor radio at 11 am Edition)

Is the Stringer situation beyond repair?

  • The club clearly want him out the door.

  • This was just a shot across Jakes bow as a means of motivating him.

  • The club is clearly a rabble. Sack Macca!

  • This is just the first play in massive trade that we are not yet privy to.

  • This is a game of blink and Jake and Conners just blinked.

  • Its time to move on a negotiate the best deal we can.

  • I felt sad for Jake on that stage today.

  • We've warned you about creating polls Norm!

  • The Jack 'Armageddon option' Watts option


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Pugz89

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It's my guess that we'll only take 2 players in this year's draft:

We have our 1st and 2nd, and North's 3rd, then effectively irrelevant 5th round picks afterwards

Bob and Murph retiring.

Morris, Honeychurch and Hamilton re-signed on one year deals (Honeychurch and Hamilton to one-year minimums to keep salary cap space open for Lever and to increase flexibility in 2018 off-season)
Mullenger-McHugh, Lynch, Prudden, Tweedie to all remain on the rookie list
Roarke Smith to be promoted onto the main list

One of Webb and Redpath to accept a better deal elsewhere for a late 2nd/early 3rd round pick

Our 1st, 2nd, and North's 3rd traded for Lever and Adelaide's 2nd.

That leaves us with two picks: Adelaide's 2nd and a whatever pick we get for Redpath/Webb

So effectively we'll have two picks in the 30's and Roarke Smith's promotion counting as our 3rd pick.

Then we'll have one 1st round pick in the rookie draft.
I thought Declan signed on this year but from what I can see, he is out of contract this year.
 

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I'd say Hamilton has a better chance of making a fist of an AFL career than any given player at the end of a supposed shallow draft. If we weren't challenging for a flag next year I'd agree with you, prioritise finding higher ceiling kids, but we're still in our premiership window.
Really? Hamilton is so far off even making a fist of an AFL career, will never play an AFL game unfortunately for him. Dalrymple is a gun recruiter and has found gems in the rookie draft. I'd much rather pick up some speculative kid that isn't on an AFL club's radar (a JJ type pick) than give Hamilton another year. No disrespect to the kid but he isn't good enough.
 

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So Rayner = Petracca which could = Dustin Martin.
Beep, Beep.
Pretty sure this is a joke but I'll reply seriously anyway. Basically, I see Rayner as an inverse-Petracca of sorts. Where Petracca was primarily a ball-winning midfielder who had good forward craft, Rayner's goal sense is more natural than Petracca's though he wins less ball. The difference in value between them is two-fold - attitude and endurance. Petracca ran (I think) a 14.11 beep test at the combine, whereas Rayner ran 11.10. Petracca's area for improvement in his draft year was his tank, and he worked seriously hard to improve it, which he did, as evidenced by that result. Rayner's attitude is questionable, especially in-game for school footy and TAC Cup, and he doesn't seem to me like someone who will be posting a 13 beep come the combine. The difference in endurance and work ethic between the two is pretty stark, and why I consider Petracca to be far and away the better prospect.

FYI, Dusty recorded a 14.1 beep test in his draft year, which is better than average, and he's been forced to continually increase his tank up until last year so that he could play as a predominant midfield. Rayner has a long, long way to go, going off Dusty's track record, before he's going to see any solid midfield time.
 

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Pretty sure this is a joke but I'll reply seriously anyway. Basically, I see Rayner as an inverse-Petracca of sorts. Where Petracca was primarily a ball-winning midfielder who had good forward craft, Rayner's goal sense is more natural than Petracca's though he wins less ball. The difference in value between them is two-fold - attitude and endurance. Petracca ran (I think) a 14.11 beep test at the combine, whereas Rayner ran 11.10. Petracca's area for improvement in his draft year was his tank, and he worked seriously hard to improve it, which he did, as evidenced by that result. Rayner's attitude is questionable, especially in-game for school footy and TAC Cup, and he doesn't seem to me like someone who will be posting a 13 beep come the combine. The difference in endurance and work ethic between the two is pretty stark, and why I consider Petracca to be far and away the better prospect.

FYI, Dusty recorded a 14.1 beep test in his draft year, which is better than average, and he's been forced to continually increase his tank up until last year so that he could play as a predominant midfield. Rayner has a long, long way to go, going off Dusty's track record, before he's going to see any solid midfield time.
Excellent reply Gollo , i was basing my comparison on their
Height to Weight ratio Rayner is around 88 kg where as
Petracca was mid 90 kg for memory and i am sure Dusty
was a big beefer as well. I am yet to have a hard look at
the young talent as the picks are up in the air still. There
is some nice VFL and NEAFL talent this year though.
 

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The historical average for a 5th round pick or rookie pick is around 20-25 career games. I'd say Hamilton is every chance to play 25 games across this career.
He has next to no chance of even playing 1 game, should have been delisted last year, no club will even take a slight look at picking him up once delisted, in fact I would say no vfl club would even look to pick him up, he struggles at vfl level
 

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He has next to no chance of even playing 1 game, should have been delisted last year, no club will even take a slight look at picking him up once delisted, in fact I would say no vfl club would even look to pick him up, he struggles at vfl level
He's been emergency a few times this year and the VFL watchers have said there's definite improvement relative to last year. To say no VFL club would pick him up is more than just slightly ridiculous I would say.
 
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I'd say Hamilton has a better chance of making a fist of an AFL career than any given player at the end of a supposed shallow draft. If we weren't challenging for a flag next year I'd agree with you, prioritise finding higher ceiling kids, but we're still in our premiership window.
Completely disagree. You have to continue to keep turning your list over, poor draft or not. Look at Hawthorn in their premiership years.

2011 - Drafted 7, elevated 1, traded 2
Total = 10 list changes

2012 - Drafted 5 players, traded in 4
Total = 9 list changes

2013 - Drafted 7, elevated 2, traded 1 & drafted 2 Category B rookies
Total = 10 list changes + 2 Cat B rookies added

2014 - traded 2, drafted 7 players
Total = 9 list changes

2015 - drafted 7 players, traded 1
Total = 8 list changes

So on average Hawthorn make around 8 - 9 list changes a year and they draft in around 6 players a year.

I'd still like the club to do something like that this year, poor draft or not. We hold on to players for too long, I've been saying it for years. Hamilton should already be gone.
 
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He's been emergency a few times this year and the VFL watchers have said there's definite improvement relative to last year. To say no VFL club would pick him up is more than just slightly ridiculous I would say.
He's been named in the best once this year and hasn't had more than 15 possessions once in his past 11 games. Unfortunately he's a mile off.
 

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I like the bloke but seriously, Hamilton is done. Optimism is only a good thing when it is reasonable: otherwise it is just delusion.

The bloke has had his chances, our team has been decimated by injury for a couple of years and nothing. Not good enough I'm afraid.

Look at the impact big changes can make to the list. Could even pick up a mature ager.
 

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Tippett for right price could be handy if he can stay fit. Rough ruck Boyd, Tippett forward and both depending on situation second ruck. We could use 3 rucks in one game keeping them fresh and Toyd and Tippett being mobile we could run the Gawn's/ Mumford/Jacobs off their feet. Get Lever hopefully and add Tippett or Trengrove who could swap with Rough too in backline and we would be looking good.
 

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Stewart Crameri’s career in limbo as Western Bulldogs sort out post-season priorities
JON RALPH, Herald Sun
August 18, 2017 6:00pm

STEWART Crameri could emerge as a left-field trade target after being kept in limbo about his future as his contract expires.

Crameri is yet to be offered a new deal by the Dogs after returning from a 12-month ban only to have his season ruined by a hip issue.

The 29-year-old missed the club’s premiership victory then after playing two AFL games and three VFL games had season-ending hip surgery.


He has been told he will have to wait until the end of the season as the club sorts through its recruiting priorities.

The versatile and athletic forward kicked between 30-37 goals every year between 2011-2015 before his latest dramas.

He can play as a lead-up forward or high half forward who beats his opponent back to goal.


Stewart Crameri at Western Bulldogs training. Picture: Michael Klein
The former Bomber is kicking without pain and expected to be able to complete a full pre-season.

The Dogs are attempting to lure Adelaide defender Jake Lever and also hope to ward off outside interest in uncontracted forward Jack Redpath.

Redpath is being courted by Carlton, with rivals excited by the way his hard and direct leads straighten up the Dogs when they are on song.


The uncertainty over Lever and their salary cap means the likes of Crameri might have to wait for some time before getting a solid decision on their future and contract worth.

Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge spoke with optimism about Crameri’s future in May but an offer is yet to eventuate.

“The club is definitely dedicated to Stewy, and we see his future at the moment beyond this year, but we need to work together towards the end of the year deadline to make sure that happens,” Beveridge said.


Western Bulldogs vice-captain Easton Wood at training.
The Dogs were able to secure out-of-contract star Jason Johannisen and extend Easton Wood’s contract to 2020.

Wood would be favoured to accept the captaincy from retiring captain Bob Murphy given he was last year’s premiership captain.

But Marcus Bontempelli looms as a future captain given his leadership skills and another brilliant year for the Dogs.

Bontempelli turns 22 in November and would be the youngest captain in the AFL, so the Dogs might decide 2018 is too early.


The Dogs could also decide to make them co-captains to give Bontempelli time to transition into the role.

Wood was surprised to be named vice-captain last year then thrust into the captains role in Round 6 when Murphy went down.

He won huge plaudits internally for his role as acting captain, admitting last year he had been shocked to realise he was about to be captain.

“I was only thinking about Bob when (the injury) happened, like everyone was,’’ he said.

“I didn’t really think about what would come next. But even when I became vice-captain at the start of the year I never thought, there might come some point where I’m captain.”
 
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