Strategy Trade and List .Management thread 5 (...the post coitus cigarette. Edition)

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Sorry mate but you are not making any sense. If I wanted an emotional tirade that shitcans the Bulldogs based on hypotheticals and worst case scenarios, well then I'd go and spend more time with the Essendon trolls on the Draft and Trading board. Get a grip man.
So unless everyone agrees with you it's a tirade?

Not one part of that post was tirade.

If we give up a top 10 pick and pick 28 and stringer to end up with pick 13 and a 2018 first it's a loss. if we keep 9 and get 13 that's two players we can bring in this year not so bad but if we give up 9 we have to wait another 12 months before we get a player into our system.

Given the position of our list it would be a mistake to not be pushing to get better now than waiting another 12 months
 

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Will be waiting for any deal to be official before i melt. But if we end up with a future first for a 4 spot slide this year, that's a massive win.

Eagles could easily finish bottom 6, that midfield is trash
 

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Ask yourself if we plan on only taking 2 live picks why didn't we take 11 and go in with 9 and 11?

Maybe our plan all along was to strengthen our hand for next year.

As I mentioned a week ago the only people that matter is us in how we view West, if we rate him as a top 10 talent so be it.

Yes there is a risk with any draft or draftee and a lot of things can change, but we have done alright during Bevo's time at the drafting table.
 

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So unless everyone agrees with you it's a tirade?

Not one part of that post was tirade.

If we give up a top 10 pick and pick 28 and stringer to end up with pick 13 and a 2018 first it's a loss. if we keep 9 and get 13 that's two players we can bring in this year not so bad but if we give up 9 we have to wait another 12 months before we get a player into our system.

Given the position of our list it would be a mistake to not be pushing to get better now than waiting another 12 months
Way to miss my point. Forget it. Carry on.
 

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JJ Adams Dale
Dickson Boyd Dahl

We could be seeing a forward line setup like this and rely on Biggs, Suckling, Williams, Crozier and Wood as our running HBF's next year. It's largely unproven but has the potentially to be absolutely deadly too.
That's scary bad.

Dickson is nearly finished and his body is struggling. Adams can barely get on the park and is too top heavy .. he needs to slim down.

We stupidly keep playing Boyd in the ruck and they will probably still play JJ mostly as a defender.

It's a 10 goal a game forward line
 

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Sorry mate but you are not making any sense. If I wanted an emotional tirade that shitcans the Bulldogs based on hypotheticals and worst case scenarios, well then I'd go and spend more time with the Essendon trolls on the Draft and Trading board. Get a grip man.
Come on Mutt , all I see is blokes on here not happy with the way this saga has been handled by our club and saying so.
How about we start a thread for all of us that are pissed off with giving away a AA player for nothing.
And you start a thread where you can bask in the glory of 2016 and forget about the trade period.

I have spent a lifetime watching the club I love make mistake after mistake , and I fear it's here we go again !
 

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Ask yourself if we plan on only taking 2 live picks why didn't we take 11 and go in with 9 and 11?

Maybe our plan all along was to strengthen our hand for next year.

As I mentioned a week ago the only people that matter is us in how we view West, if we rate him as a top 10 talent so be it.

Yes there is a risk with any draft or draftee and a lot of things can change, but we have done alright during Bevo's time at the drafting table.
We were dealt a pretty shit hand with the Stringer scenario and the club took a stance that it would stand firm and not accept a lowball offer from Essendon. That was a calculated risk but we thought one worth taking. I think most supporters were well and truly on board with that decision at the time.

Since then all we have is media speculation about what might happen and what offers might have been made. The club's gamble to try to get a better deal than the first Essendon offer might not pay off. It will be disappointing if those that supported the decision to stand firm then backflip and criticise the club for not doing the #11 for Stringer and #26 deal.
 

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That's scary bad.

Dickson is nearly finished and his body is struggling. Adams can barely get on the park and is too top heavy .. he needs to slim down.

We stupidly keep playing Boyd in the ruck and they will probably still play JJ mostly as a defender.

It's a 10 goal a game forward line
An improvement on 2017 then? :eek:

Stringer was injured/crap in the second half of the year and we lost Tom Boyd mid season too, Dickson can't play with injury anymore so I wouldn;t bank on him doing too much.

We will have Bailey Dale as a genuine finisher and apart from that, Crameri (who we haven't even offered a contract to as yet) and Boyd if he plays forward as 30-goal per year forwards. Not sure what else we have unless by miracle Lipinski comes on and/or we play Bonti & McLean forward who are both capable of being goal per game players as 50/50 mid forward types.

I was originally against it but have been warming to Schache simply because we need a target up forward. Shame Roughy can't kick, he's a beautiful contested mark but possibly the worst set shot for goal I have seen in the past couple of decades for the Bulldogs.
 

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Come on Mutt , all I see is blokes on here not happy with the way this saga has been handled by our club and saying so.
How about we start a thread for all of us that are pissed off with giving away a AA player for nothing.
And you start a thread where you can bask in the glory of 2016 and forget about the trade period.

I have spent a lifetime watching the club I love make mistake after mistake , and I fear it's here we go again !
I fear we might have bungled it too. But I'm going to wait until we know the outcome before I start shooting people King.
 

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This is all about integrity. Keep to our words Bulldogs. Stand firm
Will you consider it standing firm if Essendon only give 25+30 but we wrangle a more-useful future first next year, while also keeping a first rounder this year? It's a pretty decent outcome for us IMO.

Holding firm would be demanding Essendon's future first and keeping him if they don't wield. If Stringer can't come back, it's not an option.

Gotta make the best of the hand you've been dealt, not get stuck with a loose string 'cos we were too stuck to our earlier posturing.

I want to retain Stringer cos the offer is crap, but if we believe we are better off without him and that he can't come back, so be it.
 

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We were dealt a pretty shit hand with the Stringer scenario and the club took a stance that it would stand firm and not accept a lowball offer from Essendon. That was a calculated risk but we thought one worth taking. I think most supporters were well and truly on board with that decision at the time.

Since then all we have is media speculation about what might happen and what offers might have been made. The club's gamble to try to get a better deal than the first Essendon offer might not pay off. It will be disappointing if those that supported the decision to stand firm then backflip and criticise the club for not doing the #11 for Stringer and #26 deal.
Imagine the shitstorm here if we accepted the Essendon offer on day two of trade period.
 

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That's scary bad.

Dickson is nearly finished and his body is struggling. Adams can barely get on the park and is too top heavy .. he needs to slim down.

We stupidly keep playing Boyd in the ruck and they will probably still play JJ mostly as a defender.

It's a 10 goal a game forward line
How many of our midfielders are capable of kicking goals to
Bontempelli, Picken, Wallis, McLean, Daniel, who else?

I think we will be fine if we start to kick more accurately in front of goal.

Not many teams are going to be capable of kicking a 20 goal game unless it happens to be against a real shit side playing bad on the day.
 

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Imagine the shitstorm here if we accepted the Essendon offer on day two of trade period.
Ha ha - I think the club was always on a hiding to nothing. If we jumped at the Essendon offer on day 2 we would now be shitcanning the club for accepting their first offer when everybody knows we would have got a top 5 pick if only we'd hung on. 'Cos everybody knows that most trades only get done on the last day. Why do we always cave straight away?
 

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I hope a lot of the mooted trades flying around are BS. Hope that we are using Suckling as a back channel to keep Coms lines open with Jake.

I'd love the club to make the following statement.

"We have been clear from the outset of this trade period that in the absence of a sufficient trade offer that recognises and respects the worth of Jake Stringer we would not trade Jake. To this point such an offer has not emerged, we therefore look forward to Jake meeting his contractual obligations next year and working together to have a successful season. "

Its nice to dream....
 

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Will you consider it standing firm if Essendon only give 25+30 but we wrangle a more-useful future first next year, while also keeping a first rounder this year? It's a pretty decent outcome for us IMO.

Holding firm would be demanding Essendon's future first and keeping him if they don't wield. If Stringer can't come back, it's not an option.

Gotta make the best of the hand you've been dealt, not get stuck with a loose string 'cos we were too stuck to our earlier posturing.

I want to retain Stringer cos the offer is crap, but if we believe we are better off without him and that he can't come back, so be it.
No that's bending over for the cheats.
Do what we said we would. Don't trade him for crap.
Don't care if pay him to sit 2018. Don't care if if goes in 2018 for nothing
 

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That's scary bad.

Dickson is nearly finished and his body is struggling. Adams can barely get on the park and is too top heavy .. he needs to slim down.

We stupidly keep playing Boyd in the ruck and they will probably still play JJ mostly as a defender.

It's a 10 goal a game forward line
We won the flag with a makeshift forward line of Zaine Cordy Dickson Picken with a host of other smalls mediums and talls rotating through.
Richmond smashed Adelaide in the GF. Their goalkickers were Graham 3 Riewoldt 2 Townsend 2. They had 10 goalkickers.
Adelaide had the better forwards on paper.
Moral of this story is football has changed. Defenders and midfielders win finals.
 
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We were dealt a pretty shit hand with the Stringer scenario and the club took a stance that it would stand firm and not accept a lowball offer from Essendon. That was a calculated risk but we thought one worth taking. I think most supporters were well and truly on board with that decision at the time.

Since then all we have is media speculation about what might happen and what offers might have been made. The club's gamble to try to get a better deal than the first Essendon offer might not pay off. It will be disappointing if those that supported the decision to stand firm then backflip and criticise the club for not doing the #11 for Stringer and #26 deal.
yep, a negotiation is just that. A negotiation. You try and get the best outcome you possibly can, and then you work through the process. Sometimes you bluff a big win, sometimes your bluff is called. Sometimes you get the lions share, sometimes you don't. But you play the hand you're dealt, and unfortunately in this situation the Bulldogs got dealt a 3 and 4 and the flop was all picture cards. You can't blame the dealer, you just do what you can.

Footy fans need to learn to not personalise the negotiation process.
 
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