Strategy Trade and List .Management thread 5 (...the post coitus cigarette. Edition)

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I'm with fronkalicious on this issue.

Time comes where you as a club and an organisation have to make a statement on what values you stand for.
Often it is a hard statement to make, but one that we should back Bevo 100% for making.

This will be the making of this group I have no doubt about that and we WILL win a flag or two over the next 5 or so years.
 

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Barrett been saying for a fortnight that Stringer is damaged goods and worth a second round pick at best

Today he writes an article comparing Stringer to Dustin Martin and stating that Stringer is a better credentialed player than Dusty and a prodigious footballing talent. Even suggests that Stringer could provide Geelong or Essendon a GF!

Either he is a great player and the Dogs should get compensated accordingly, or he's damaged goods and we should be bending over for whatever crumbs fall our way?

I have said it before, but Damien Barrett is a grub. Bevo should have bent those glasses around his pin shaped head at the last Brownlow when he found him in the toilets and done the rest of us a favour by finishing his football journalism career.

Rant over...
Nek minnit after two weeks of driving down his value in the publics eyes. Damo starts a Stringer to the norfs rumour.

You know its coming.
 

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What's the saying 'when both parties feel hard done by, it's probably a fair deal '...
Yeah, right. So they end up offering us a deal that we hate and feign that they hate it too. Therefore it's the bitter-sweet spot and we should accept.

It's all posturing. And a lot of Bombers posters coming on here doing the same thing.
 

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What's the saying 'when both parties feel hard done by, it's probably a fair deal '...
Pretty much mate.

Also on the "clubs pulling away" thing I dunno about you guys but I reckon we see it every year. Player up for grabs, media link player to multiple clubs, player nominates club, media say rejected clubs ruled out player. Essentially allows clubs to have a dip, let the fans know and when rejected save face because they never specifically said they were. It was just media speculation.

Unless your North of course and tell the world you're interested every time a player comes outta contract.
 
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Yeah I agree mate. Pick 11 is the very best we can hope for but it doesn't look like it will be that simple.
Clubs are dropping off Jake very quickly after doing some due diligence.
2015 Jake and we would expect 2 first rounders, but unfortunately for the Bulldogs, Jakes issues seem to be more of a deterrent than his high potential.
clubs are dropping off Jake as soon as they realise they are no chance of getting Jake.

No coincidence that Geelong went hard and then all of a sudden they allegedly "cooled", but just exactly at the same time that Stringer apparently told them he didn't want to go there. Heck of a coincidence. Richmond asked about him, got told nope, and all of a sudden he wasn't what they were looking for, despite being, on all metrics, exactly what they would be looking for. North, well, North just get told no all the time so they are used to it.

Re the trade, I've said elsewhere, if it were up to me I'd offer up pick 11 no strings attached. Just accept we are paying a fair price and hopefully create some goodwill.
 

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clubs are dropping off Jake as soon as they realise they are no chance of getting Jake.

No coincidence that Geelong went hard and then all of a sudden they allegedly "cooled", but just exactly at the same time that Stringer apparently told them he didn't want to go there. Heck of a coincidence. Richmond asked about him, got told nope, and all of a sudden he wasn't what they were looking for, despite being, on all metrics, exactly what they would be looking for. North, well, North just get told no all the time so they are used to it
Only thing going to Norf next year is a spoon made of wood.

Oh, and some male trainers.
 

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People are misunderstanding me. This is all hypothetical given he won’t be going to North. I don’t want Goldstein. BUT I would take him for 2 years at $350-400 if it got us from pick 9 to pick 4 in a draft that has 5-6 standouts (in the club’s opinion - I have no idea) then it falls away.
Regarding the pick 4 vs. 9 and 11 debate, my initial thoughts are that if we can come away with Nick Coffield, Jaidyn Stephenson or Jarrod Brander with pick 9, we will have gained more than from pick 4 regardless of who we take at pick 11. I'd speculate that it's about 50/50 as to whether one of those guys will slip out. What puts me off pick 4 is the chance we'll take Rayner who is just as much of a risk as Stringer always has been, in my opinion.

Once Rayner, Cerra, Dow, LDU, Coffield, Brander and Stephenson are taken the quality drops away. Currently, assuming we get pick 11, we really need to be hoping that clubs reach for two players, likely Darcy Fogarty, Sam Hayes or Aaron Naughton, so that one of the aforementioned three slide to us. If that happens, we'll be in good spot to take a higher-level player with pick 11 from the next rung of players down. Whether this happens or not is still questionable, meaning it's too early to say whether pick 4 and Goldstein is worth more than pick 9 and 11.

Some may not know the players in question, which is fine, the point is that prior to the draft, it is very hard to gauge whether pick 9 + 11 is a better deal than pick 4 + Goldstein as it all comes down to how the draft actually pans out.
 
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Barrett been saying for a fortnight that Stringer is damaged goods and worth a second round pick at best

Today he writes an article comparing Stringer to Dustin Martin and stating that Stringer is a better credentialed player than Dusty and a prodigious footballing talent. Even suggests that Stringer could provide Geelong or Essendon a GF!

Either he is a great player and the Dogs should get compensated accordingly, or he's damaged goods and we should be bending over for whatever crumbs fall our way?

I have said it before, but Damien Barrett is a grub. Bevo should have bent those glasses around his pin shaped head at the last Brownlow when he found him in the toilets and done the rest of us a favour by finishing his football journalism career.

Rant over...
Barrett has been pushing for Stringer to Geelong. As long as that was a possibility Stringer was only worth a second rounder. Now all of a sudden, exactly as it seems that he's not going there and he's probably going to Essendon, he's worth a kings ransom. What a shock
 
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Pick 11 seems about as good as we can expect.
Reading all this talk about both ESS and Dogs believe a sweetner should go their way.
I know it would bever happen but I would love the entertainment value in this trade-
Ess get - stringer, dogs 2018 first
Dogs get- pick 11, ess 2018 first.

Both sides to back themselves in for who is better and who gets the better deal.
 
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clubs are dropping off Jake as soon as they realise they are no chance of getting Jake.

No coincidence that Geelong went hard and then all of a sudden they allegedly "cooled", but just exactly at the same time that Stringer apparently told them he didn't want to go there. Heck of a coincidence. Richmond asked about him, got told nope, and all of a sudden he wasn't what they were looking for, despite being, on all metrics, exactly what they would be looking for. North, well, North just get told no all the time so they are used to it.

Re the trade, I've said elsewhere, if it were up to me I'd offer up pick 11 no strings attached. Just accept we are paying a fair price and hopefully create some goodwill.
You mean "no stings errr" attached .
 

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Yeah, right. So they end up offering us a deal that we hate and feign that they hate it too. Therefore it's the bitter-sweet spot and we should accept.

It's all posturing. And a lot of Bombers posters coming on here doing the same thing.
Understand where you are coming from and I don't like the deal either. I don't know the issues (have no sauces sadly, not even tomato as I have just moved o/s) so I cannot understand why it has reached this point.

In my experience, sometimes you have to work with or for people you don't like. So why not here ? Maybe it's the mythical 'Football clubs are like family', and Jake is upsetting Bont or something ?? Who knows...

But if we are limited in suitors for him, either by his choice it other clubs concerns, we won't get full value. Painful as that is. So we either fold or hold.

If it were me, I would be telling Bev to work with him - make him the project for the year. His job is to get the best out of those guys, including Jake. Unless the issues are potentially so bad and destructive to the team and then we just need to get rid of him and accept any price
 

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Fair points. I think from the outside looking in, without understanding the context around the decision, it's difficult to see how things got so untenable. It's difficult to imagine a scenario where the relationship has become so toxic that the club just wants to be rid of such a talent - particularly when you have individuals who were inside the club (like Murphy) suggesting that they're surprised it has come to this. From that perspective it's easy to see how one could be frustrated with the club for making it pretty clear that he won't be back next year and lessening our bargaining power. I do understand your point about clubs already being across this type of thing, though - I probably was/am being a little harsh on the club.
Murphy has plausible deniability, so he won't deliberately denigrate Jake and further diminish his value. Same with other senior players. Luke has to say some negative stuff about Stringer or he has no public justification for trading him - but he doesn't want to run Jake down more than is necessary.

I'd argue that Luke and Bob are so close that Bob knows in some detail why things have broken down and he is only mildly surprised at best. I don't know if the club has handled things perfectly but I thought that Bevo's interview with Robbo was pretty good. Obviously there is much more to all of this than an exit interview, a call from Jason McCartney, and Bevo's talk with Robbo.
 

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Although they say they're close, I wonder if JJ changing his mind and re-signing had anything to do with what was on the cards for Stringer?

Perhaps it was a pretty ordinary string of games that JJ put together and he panicked?
 
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Maybe he hates Essendon as much as us and is trying to push the price back up.

Or maybe the wind just started blowing from a different direction.
Stringer is choosing Essendon because they are offering $600k and Geelong won’t budge of $450k.

That’s the only reason
Stringers choise where he nominates, media have no idea.
Had breakfast meeting with my boss in Willy this morning couple of doors up from the Rose.
Stringer in there with Dangerfield and Selwood, together for 30-45 minutes.
Doesn't mean anything other than I doubt Geelong boys were telling Stringer club have cooled off!
 

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Stringers choise where he nominates, media have no idea.
Had breakfast meeting with my boss in Willy this morning couple of doors up from the Rose.
Stringer in there with Dangerfield and Selwood, together for 30-45 minutes.
Doesn't mean anything other than I doubt Geelong boys were telling Stringer club have cooled off!
Strong user name to first post and subject at hand correlation.
 

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It's all up to Essendon to make a good deal now. We can just have him spend all next year sitting on the sidelines if we want
 
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