Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 2 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Dogsman16]

Has Bruce actually requested a trade? Or is this all coming from Fox Footy.

Fox footy and Bev confirmed.

 

[Dazb86]

You can play 3 tall forwards but really none of them can be a defensive liability. Bruce and Naughton both excellent for big guys at applying themselves with defensive pressure.

Schache is the problem. That’s not to say he can’t play along side them but he needs to be kicking regular goals and he needs to be a good ruck chop out. And he needs to force opposition defenders to play 3 key defenders. Could really come unstuck against someone like Richmond if he’s not marking it and his man is rebounding at will.

I expect Jamarra to take his spot in 2021/2022, far more athletic and better mark.

Schaches greatest strength is his motor. If his opponent is running off him the opposition will get burnt on the turnover. I'd play him with Bruce and Naughton. He generally kicks his 2 goals a game and is pretty accurate which is extremely valuable in our team. It's worth a shot IMO.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

You can play 3 tall forwards but really none of them can be a defensive liability. Bruce and Naughton both excellent for big guys at applying themselves with defensive pressure.

Schache is the problem. That’s not to say he can’t play along side them but he needs to be kicking regular goals and he needs to be a good ruck chop out. And he needs to force opposition defenders to play 3 key defenders. Could really come unstuck against someone like Richmond if he’s not marking it and his man is rebounding at will.

I expect Jamarra to take his spot in 2021/2022, far more athletic and better mark.

Good point. Historically key fwds have lacked that side of their game where as nowadays that’s changing a little.
Im still a two key fwd person but open to the idea of three working.
We’d need to improve our execution fwd of centre though before thinking about playing the three.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

I think all those talls are quite agile and it can definitely work

Not all 4. You need the pace, ground ball game and defensive pressure of your small to mid sized fwds. Having 4 talls is dicing with death.

If we had 4 Naughtons, maybe. But otherwise, no chance.

 

[Dogsman16]

Good point. Historically key fwds have lacked that side of their game where as nowadays that’s changing a little.
Im still a two key fwd person but open to the idea of three working.
We’d need to improve our execution fwd of centre though before thinking about playing the three.

We will have 2 of the best contested marks in the game so yes our execution needs to get better but Naughton and Bruce can both pluck marks that most others can’t.

FWIW Gws playing 3 tall forwards this weekend and Richmond playing 2 tall forwards and 2 rucks (one you would assume rests forward.

 

[TempletonTheRat]

I’m reluctant to post this as there’s been that many ITK posts over the last few weeks and they seem to have lost their shine, but I will anyway, I was told last night by a pretty reliable source that we are going hard at another target on top of Keath and Bruce, a gun HF from a top melb club. Was told it’s probably Elliot, which makes sense as there’s been a light link by the media.

Would be a huge trade period if managed to bring in all three. Personally I see it being too difficult as the contracts for all would surely be bigger than what we have to spend so I’m thinking Elliott ends up T a club that can offer more $.

But, we’re going hard is what I’ve heard.

interesting - and Elliot is a FA so no trade required.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

We will have 2 of the best contested marks in the game so yes our execution needs to get better but Naughton and Bruce can both pluck marks that most others can’t.

FWIW Gws playing 3 tall forwards this weekend and Richmond playing 2 tall forwards and 2 rucks (one you would assume rests forward.

I think Naughts and Bruce do well regardless of entries, I was more suggesting with three talls. You need marks taken if you have less smaller types doing the ground work. WC, Giants get away with playing extra talls because they have cleaner players.
Tigers is an unknown. They’ve historically gone the one ruck and tall fwd, that was changed to one and two this year but seem to be playing two and two now.
It may work but it changes the dynamic of a team playing too many talls if your game plan relies more on your smaller pacy, pressure types.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

interesting - and Elliot is a FA so no trade required.

I didn’t know that. Bizarre the pies have allowed his contract to run to this point. Especially if his injury run is over.

 

[LittleG]

You don’t get two players to request a trade to your club many weeks before trade period. It isn’t a good idea to show your hand too early. IF you do, there has to be a very good reason.


I think there is another player strongly considering us and having two already say yes, may well convince them.

Who is said player?
Howard?
Martin?
Someone else?

 

[Charlie Bucket]

You don’t get two players to request a trade to your club many weeks before trade period. It isn’t a good idea to show your hand too early. IF you do, there has to be a very good reason.


I think there is another player strongly considering us and having two already say yes, may well convince them.

Who is said player?
Howard?
Martin?
Someone else?

I think coming out with your trade intentions is showing your hand, having players request a trade to your club is winning the pot. We’ll be right

 

[Northernsoul74]

You don’t get two players to request a trade to your club many weeks before trade period. It isn’t a good idea to show your hand too early. IF you do, there has to be a very good reason.


I think there is another player strongly considering us and having two already say yes, may well convince them.

Who is said player?
Howard?
Martin?
Someone else?

I think in this case showing your hand early is ok. Shows we have options in getting both deals done with especially in regards to Saints playing hardball over 12.

 

[TiAn_]

You don’t get two players to request a trade to your club many weeks before trade period. It isn’t a good idea to show your hand too early. IF you do, there has to be a very good reason.


I think there is another player strongly considering us and having two already say yes, may well convince them.

Who is said player?
Howard?
Martin?
Someone else?

Trade period starts in a week and most of the trade targets that have made their intention to move clear have nominated a club.

I wouldn’t read anything into it other than we’re trading for Bruce and Keath.

 

[Bro_Pro]

You don’t get two players to request a trade to your club many weeks before trade period. It isn’t a good idea to show your hand too early. IF you do, there has to be a very good reason.


I think there is another player strongly considering us and having two already say yes, may well convince them.

Who is said player?
Howard?
Martin?
Someone else?

I think your on the money with this!! The 2 guys making it known that there coming to us is apart of another plan, if it comes off is another thing but looks like Sam is making a pitch to someone.

 

[fred cook]

I think your on the money with this!! The 2 guys making it known that there coming to us is apart of another plan, if it comes off is another thing but looks like Sam is making a pitch to someone.

The below player meets the necessary requirements plus we need sone more players with tattoos in our side as we clearly miss this skill set. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Elliott_(footballer,_born_1992)



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[Barking Mad]

Not all 4. You need the pace, ground ball game and defensive pressure of your small to mid sized fwds. Having 4 talls is dicing with death.

If we had 4 Naughtons, maybe. But otherwise, no chance.

Don’t side end up with 16 players in their forward line once you get it inside 50 or at least going inside from a mark free ? At this point Naughts heads out one way and Bruce the other to close exits. It’s only starting positions which is a bonus having multiple targets from quick clearances. I’d give it a crack

 

[Dry Rot]

Bevo said two interesting things last night on the Front Bar.

Firstly that we'd been courting Bruce and Keath for some time.

Secondly that cryptic comment about being impartial re the GF sprint and Petruccelle - I wonder what that meant?

 

[Charlie Bucket]

Don’t side end up with 16 players in their forward line once you get it inside 50 or at least going inside from a mark free ? At this point Naughts heads out one way and Bruce the other to close exits. It’s only starting positions which is a bonus having multiple targets from quick clearances. I’d give it a crack

That’s one part of a teams plan, but a larger part nowadays is scoring on the turnover. I’d much prefer quicker small targets on the overlap than bigger targets.
Since I’ve been alive, the balance has mostly been two talls and the rest mid smalls. Some go three and three, and others more recently going one and five.

We need to remember, the more talls you play, the more dangerous mid/smalls miss out. 3-4 talls, a resting mid, might only leave a spot or two for Dale, McLean, West, Lloyd, Elliott ( potentially) to name a few. Personally I want the balance that allows us to play more of these types. Especially when we’re looking to score from an inside 50 press as you mentioned.

 

[Dogs Rule]

The below player meets the necessary requirements plus we need sone more players with tattoos in our side as we clearly miss this skill set. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Elliott_(footballer,_born_1992)



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I hope so. Either Elliott or Petrucelle would round us off very nicely.

 

[Mr. Walker]

Serious question. I gave only seen Keath play once - in this year's Ballarat game. The conditions were not conducive to intercept marking and he may have been injured. To those who have seen more of him, is he an upgrade on L Young? I know Keath got to footy late but games wise they are similar. I thought Young showed good signs. May one us FB and the other CHB?

 

[Mantis Toboggan]

I’m not sure Petrucelle is all that good a player. He looks great when he’s got a clear path ahead of him but how often does that happen? Speed aside, he seems a very average player.

 

[charcoalchicken]

Who is petrucelle? Never heard of him before

 

[Virgin Dog]

Serious question. I gave only seen Keath play once - in this year's Ballarat game. The conditions were not conducive to intercept marking and he may have been injured. To those who have seen more of him, is he an upgrade on L Young? I know Keath got to footy late but games wise they are similar. I thought Young showed good signs. May one us FB and the other CHB?

Lewis Young has capacity to be a similar player, and probably has the higher ceiling, but Keath is almost certainly going to be the better player for at least two more years while Young fills out and develops. I don't see a reason why we can't play both though. At the moment, if we're wanting to win a finals game, it's Keath > Young any day of the week. You probably watched Keath's worst game for the year to be honest. Prior to suffering an injury this year, he was in All Australian form

 

[Northernsoul74]

Lewis Young has capacity to be a similar player, and probably has the higher ceiling, but Keath is almost certainly going to be the better player for at least two more years while Young fills out and develops. I don't see a reason why we can't play both though. At the moment, if we're wanting to win a finals game, it's Keath > Young any day of the week. You probably watched Keath's worst game for the year to be honest. Prior to suffering an injury this year, he was in All Australian form

They’re both a number 2 key back. Prob just play both and hope between them they can do the job.

 

[Dry Rot]

Would we want Petruccelle and if so what is his trade worth?

 

[Virgin Dog]

They’re both a number 2 key back. Prob just play both and hope between them they can do the job.

Pretty much. Still haven't brought in a number 1 defender, but realistically I think Trengove plays that role quite well. If he stops with the risky small range kicks that seems to lead to turnovers 90% of the time, then he'd actually be a very handy KPD I think. Would love to see him train with the defenders 100% of the preseason, and we can have the likes of Schache and Bruce pinch hitting in the ruck when English needs the rest.

God I'm excited for next year already, and we haven't even hit trade period. Actually so hyped at bringing in the two bookends we needed