Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 3 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

Mattdougie

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It’s not all about you mate.

you can make a judgement early or you can hope people pan out. You don’t do that - that’s fine. But there have been a suite of cases where your pessimism has been wrong too (I.e. 2016).
yep and they have all been pointed out as nauseum which was exactly my point

It isn’t about me but when I’m wrong it is constantly
 

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Mattdougie

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Well for a start, some of these guys were already contracted, what do you expect the club to do? If we cut them, we still have to pay out, plus pay for completely unknowns through the draft.

Dickson and Suckling are both very good players, they'll just be ready for retirement next year.

Greene, Gowers, Jong, Gardner and Smith could all make it
Suckling Dicko Williams RSmith Gardner Porter all could have gone for zero cost and were out of contract, and I’m sure I missed a couple more that could have.

plenty in here have bemoaned my call to make more changes but now your list shows how many moves probably need to me made next year, which hopefully is after a successful year which isn’t optimal
 

Mattdougie

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It’s not all about you mate.

you can make a judgement early or you can hope people pan out. You don’t do that - that’s fine. But there have been a suite of cases where your pessimism has been wrong too (I.e. 2016).
And what made up pessimism did I have in 16?

I tipped us to make the 8 but Thought we were cooked after the cats game when we lost Libba and Macca.

tipped us to suck in 18 also but you don’t bring that up WHICH was my point.

anyway we move on and I’m hopeful next year of a 5-7 finish
 

Virgin Dog

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Suckling Dicko Williams RSmith Gardner Porter all could have gone for zero cost and were out of contract, and I’m sure I missed a couple more that could have.

plenty in here have bemoaned my call to make more changes but now your list shows how many moves probably need to me made next year, which hopefully is after a successful year which isn’t optimal
I'd be hoping a few of those 9 I named do pan out. Guys like Gowers and Greene really should be earning their spot over the next few years. I'd hope Lynch can recapture some of that 2018 form.

Really the ones I doubt are on our list in 2021 are Porter, Gardner, Smith, Jong plus the obvious two in Suckling and Dickson. 6 changes is a pretty healthy turnover, hopefully wouldn't need more than that
 

Bemoreboyddog

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Suckling Dicko Williams RSmith Gardner Porter all could have gone for zero cost and were out of contract, and I’m sure I missed a couple more that could have.

plenty in here have bemoaned my call to make more changes but now your list shows how many moves probably need to me made next year, which hopefully is after a successful year which isn’t optimal
Trouble is MD, all the players you want moved on have little to no value. So basically delistings. You wanna turn over an extra five this year and take 4 or 5 picks in the 80’s and 90’s? Which would also mean keeping those five very late picks for a minimum of two years? These blokes getting kept around on a contract that runs out gives the club great flexibility, something they value immensely, Sam Power has said as much.

As it stands we only have one pick in the top 50. We have four reasonably rated kids linked to us next year and probably as you say have a decent amount of cash left over to throw at a free agent. To do that we need to free up at least 5 list spots.

Maybe we could have cut one or both of Gardner and Smith. However maybe they rate Gardner and Smith, along with them already knowing our group and systems higher than the real depth of the draft pool this year. I can understand that view, I don’t think cutting deep this off season would have been wise though.
 

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Mattdougie

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Trouble is MD, all the players you want moved on have little to no value. So basically delistings. You wanna turn over an extra five this year and take 4 or 5 picks in the 80’s and 90’s? Which would also mean keeping those five very late picks for a minimum of two years? These blokes getting kept around on a contract that runs out gives the club great flexibility, something they value immensely, Sam Power has said as much.

As it stands we only have one pick in the top 50. We have four reasonably rated kids linked to us next year and probably as you say have a decent amount of cash left over to throw at a free agent. To do that we need to free up at least 5 list spots.

Maybe we could have cut one or both of Gardner and Smith. However maybe they rate Gardner and Smith, along with them already knowing our group and systems higher than the real depth of the draft pool this year. I can understand that view, I don’t think cutting deep this off season would have been wise though.
I never said an extra 5-6 at any stage

I put a list of blokes I wold want out but never stated they all should go at once.

As I’ve said for years I think we hang onto list cloggers for far too long and have down for a while now and it a big bear of mine. I’d rather drop them and give someone/anyone else a crack because nearly everyone of the players I’ve mentioned have done zero(Dicko being the exception).

After bringing Keath and Bruce in and resigning the two Young’s there is no logical reason we resigned Gardner. If he is playing we are so far into the injury list our year is probably shot anyway and he isn’t helping
 

Bemoreboyddog

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I never said an extra 5-6 at any stage

I put a list of blokes I wold want out but never stated they all should go at once.

As I’ve said for years I think we hang onto list cloggers for far too long and have down for a while now and it a big bear of mine. I’d rather drop them and give someone/anyone else a crack because nearly everyone of the players I’ve mentioned have done zero(Dicko being the exception).

After bringing Keath and Bruce in and resigning the two Young’s there is no logical reason we resigned Gardner. If he is playing we are so far into the injury list our year is probably shot anyway and he isn’t helping
I’m not a Gardner fan either but is it not possible that he can improve? Still quite young. It’s not like there’s a heap of exposed form. He’s got a better chance of showing something we didn’t know he had than your best friend Jong.
 

Mattdougie

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I’m not a Gardner fan either but is it not possible that he can improve? Still quite young. It’s not like there’s a heap of exposed form. He’s got a better chance of showing something we didn’t know he had than your best friend Jong.
Gardner had 3 years at Geelong mate And he isn’t even starting at VFL level

anyway we are stuck with him now so let’s hope he hopes all the naysayers wrong. I doubt it very very much but who knows.

And I’d be backing Jong to make it everyday before Gardner
 

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Suckling Dicko Williams RSmith Gardner Porter all could have gone for zero cost and were out of contract, and I’m sure I missed a couple more that could have.

plenty in here have bemoaned my call to make more changes but now your list shows how many moves probably need to me made next year, which hopefully is after a successful year which isn’t optimal
So get rid of one of our best players who does a lot of unrewarded work, one of the best natural forwards we’ve ever had at the club that was still in the top few for goals in 2019 & a player that’s showed plenty to work with in a few different roles & 40 odd games?

Must be easy to replace them, just get Jake Lloyd, Luke Breust & Lachie Whitfield to take their spots
 

Mattdougie

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So get rid of one of our best players who does a lot of unrewarded work, one of the best natural forwards we’ve ever had at the club that was still in the top few for goals in 2019 & a player that’s showed plenty to work with in a few different roles & 40 odd games?

Must be easy to replace them, just get Jake Lloyd, Luke Breust & Lachie Whitfield to take their spots
Lol I love people like you

take one post out of a whole conversation and pin point it

don’t bother it was in response to someone else’s post about the number of players we COULDNT let go.

NOOOOOO don’t worry about that coz then it would make sense and you couldn’t rant garbage like the above.

Anymore sentences out of whole conversations you want to discuss without context?
 

ossie_21

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Lol I love people like you

take one post out of a whole conversation and pin point it

don’t bother it was in response to someone else’s post about the number of players we COULDNT let go.

NOOOOOO don’t worry about that coz then it would make sense and you couldn’t rant garbage like the above.

Anymore sentences out of whole conversations you want to discuss without context?
You melt way, way too easily. You get shitty at different opinions to your own, or you don’t allow others to have their own opinions at all.

I’m not alone in saying it, but I have said it multiple times YOU CAN NOT HAVE 40 ELITE PLAYERS ON A LIST! Every team has & needs role players, every team has players that may never play a game but are selected in the first place as it’s been identified there is something to work with.

You want to let go of players not easily replaced, but rather than say who could realistically replace them you have a sook about who’s quoting what.
 

Mattdougie

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You melt way, way too easily. You get shitty at different opinions to your own, or you don’t allow others to have their own opinions at all.

I’m not alone in saying it, but I have said it multiple times YOU CAN NOT HAVE 40 ELITE PLAYERS ON A LIST! Every team has & needs role players, every team has players that may never play a game but are selected in the first place as it’s been identified there is something to work with.

You want to let go of players not easily replaced, but rather than say who could realistically replace them you have a sook about who’s quoting what.
lol again just targeting me coz I pointed out you didn’t even bother to read the conversation just one post then blurred out garbage that wasn’t relevant.

again I was responding to someone that said we couldn’t let players go and I named blokes that COULD HAVE been let go with no fuss. Wasn’t commenting on my opinion at all on that post but if you bothered to read it just not glance and rant you would have seen that.

the fact you actually think I melt in here is hilarious also. Oh and HOW do I not allow others to have an opinion on an open forum? I’m capable of stopping the internet am I?? Perhaps you haven’t really looked at this forum much BUT MORE people disagree with me than agree so I’m not doing a great job of this so called control of opinions either.

Hahahahhahaha you made my night, now let’s hope the Reds win and I can have a great sleep

xxxx

anyway end of discussion coz I will probably get another infraction for defending myself against more lies so have a great evening Ossie
 
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Bemoreboyddog

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Funny how injuries have turned Lin Jong into a dud player, not actually poor on-field performance that hasn't happened yet.
Lin Jong has never been a best 22 player and he’s been at the club for 8 years. If it was going to happen for him, it would have happened by now. 61 games in 8 years.

He’s a decent mark of the football. Big body. Great person (doubt he’d still be with us if he was any trouble whatsoever) and tries his arse off. But his basic football skills are his undoing. So many times I’ve seen a Bulldog chain of possession come unstuck because of Lin.

It’s not about time out of the game with injuries and mental health that has led some to forget what he’s capable of. Some of us remember quite well.
 

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Funny how injuries have turned Lin Jong into a dud player, not actually poor on-field performance that hasn't happened yet.
Jong was never that good except in a very small handful of people's minds. But let's not have that discussion as most people are bored by it and we wouldn't want to trigger you into calling people who don't rate Jong racists - again.
 

ossie_21

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lol again just targeting me coz I pointed out you didn’t even bother to read the conversation just one post then blurred out garbage that wasn’t relevant.

again I was responding to someone that said we couldn’t let players go and I named blokes that COULD HAVE been let go with no fuss. Wasn’t commenting on my opinion at all on that post but if you bothered to read it just not glance and rant you would have seen that.

the fact you actually think I melt in here is hilarious also. Oh and HOW do I not allow others to have an opinion on an open forum? I’m capable of stopping the internet am I?? Perhaps you haven’t really looked at this forum much BUT MORE people disagree with me than agree so I’m not doing a great job of this so called control of opinions either.

Hahahahhahaha you made my night, now let’s hope the Reds win and I can have a great sleep

xxxx

anyway end of discussion coz I will probably get another infraction for defending myself against more lies so have a great evening Ossie
Another melt, look at the length of your rant. You don’t allow other opinions as the bulk of your posts are “lol”, “WOW”, ok you’re blocked.

Again, you still haven’t said who you’d rather us take on rather than getting rid of the likes of Suckling or Dickson who are certainly still best 22 if fully fit. A few pages ago you wanted a 10+ player turnover in one year, that’s the point.
 

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