Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 4 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Bulldogs Legend]

They would retire Murphy IF they wanted/could get Dunks

Problem solved

Not sure about that. Their forward planning would have factored Murphy in already unless they are doing dodgy stuff again withe their signings in reverent years plus Cripps etc I don’t reckon they would have room

 

[Triple Baileys]

WTF

Another bandwagoner.

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

Another bandwagoner.

You calling me a bandwagoner?

 

[Triple Baileys]

You calling me a bandwagoner?

And a slow one at that. I wrote that ages ago.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

And a slow one at that. I wrote that ages ago.

A really slow one. He waited 60 years from our premiership glory to join here in 2014

 

[Highlander]

Can somebody please clarify if we will add any more players to our list before the season starts.

As I understand it, we have 2 list spots open and three players currently training with us.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Can somebody please clarify if we will add any more players to our list before the season starts.

As I understand it, we have 2 list spots open and three players currently training with us.

Anthony Scott
Corey Preston
Ewan Macpherson are all training at the club and they have to the 9th of March to fill the list spots

 

[Virgin Dog]

Can somebody please clarify if we will add any more players to our list before the season starts.

As I understand it, we have 2 list spots open and three players currently training with us.

I think it's just the one list spot (Lloyd). McLean could be placed on the Long Term Injury list to open another spot if needed.

Wouldn't mind seeing us hold a spare spot. Guys like Nick Coffield, Bont, Clayton Oliver wouldn't have gone anywhere near Top 10 if they didn't play their draft year (maybe not even drafted) so there could be massive draft bargains mid year. I'd be looking for the next Tim Kelly / Liam Ryan opportunity

 

[doggies ftw]

By all reports McLean is going really well in his rehab too, could be a handy inclusion to the side for the last month or so too if we keep his spot free

 

[Highlander]

Anthony Scott
Corey Preston
Ewan Macpherson are all training at the club and they have the 9th of March to fill the list spots

Thank you Bulldogs85

 

[Boyd oh Boyd]

By all reports McLean is going really well in his rehab too, could be a handy inclusion to the side for the last month or so too if we keep his spot free

I believe you only need to miss 8 games to be put on the LTI list, so that shouldn’t be an issue

 

[doggies ftw]

I believe you only need to miss 8 games to be put on the LTI list, so that shouldn’t be an issue

I’m not sure what it means for the extra list spot though? Can we take McLean off the LTI when he’s ready if we’ve used his spot on someone else?

 

[Boyd oh Boyd]

I’m not sure what it means for the extra list spot though? Can we take McLean off the LTI when he’s ready if we’ve used his spot on someone else?

I wasn't sure myself, so I had a quick read through the rules. After the 8 weeks we can put McLean back on the primary list, but what happens to that extra player isn't as clear to me

Where a Player is transferred from a Club’s Long Term Injury List to its Primary List, the Club may request the General Counsel to:
(i) transfer the Player transferred from the Club’s Rookie List under Rule 26.1(b) back to the Club’s Rookie List unless that Player is included on the Club’s Primary List at the time it is lodged with the AFL under Rules 6.1 or 7.2; or
(ii) transfer from the Club’s Primary List to the Club’s Rookie List another Player who is eligible to be included on the Club’s Rookie List at the time of transfer.

I'm pretty sure this is from when rookies had to be promoted to play AFL matches, so it would've changed by then. So not entirely sure, but I'm willing to bet the player that we pick up for McLean's list spot couldn't play once McLean is back, maybe they're move to the cat B rookie list or something.

 

[Triple Baileys]

At the risk of covering old news, did anyone read the WB website on the Bont playing more time as a forward?

Why not play him full time as a forward and only bring him into the square in an emergency (e.g. WB 1 point behind, centre bounce, 1 minute to go)?

Pros:
1) Eases pressures on midfield log jam. Midfield log jam could potentially cost us one or two star mids (e.g., Bailey Smith

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Bailey Smith

Age

20

Ht

185cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

or Dunkley)
2) May preserve the Bont to get extra good seasons out of him post when he turns 30.
3) Bont is good overhead and is as big and burly as a KPF and we all know about his ground game and his footy IQ. Vastly superior option at CHF or FF than Bruce or Schache, so solves that problem. Bruce can be retooled as a 2nd ruck / resting forward and Schache can vie with Bailey Dale

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Bailey Dale

Age

24

Ht

183cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.6

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.1

2star

HB

3.9

3star

M

2.3

2star

T

1.7

3star

G

0.7

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

1.4

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.8

4star

et al for a HFF spot, he is an HFF option with his long leading game where he makes his height an advantage, his accurate long kicking, his good handling skills and AFL level vision.

Cons:
No Bont in the midfield.

You weigh it up.

 

[BallaratBulldog]

At the risk of covering old news, did anyone read the WB website on the Bont playing more time as a forward?

Why not play him full time as a forward and only bring him into the square in an emergency (e.g. WB 1 point behind, centre bounce, 1 minute to go)?

Pros:
1) Eases pressures on midfield log jam. Midfield log jam could potentially cost us one or two star mids (e.g., Bailey Smith or Dunkley)
2) May preserve the Bont to get extra good seasons out of him post when he turns 30.
3) Bont is good overhead and is as big and burly as a KPF and we all know about his ground game and his footy IQ. Vastly superior option at CHF or FF than Bruce or Schache, so solves that problem. Bruce can be retooled as a 2nd ruck / resting forward and Schache can vie with Bailey Dale et al for a HFF spot, he is an HFF option with his long leading game where he makes his height an advantage, his accurate long kicking, his good handling skills and AFL level vision.

Cons:
No Bont in the midfield.

You weigh it up.

I don’t have the stats in front of me but I feel like Bont has usully been one of our worst in terms of conversation in front of goal particularly on a set shot (even though hes nailed some big moments like 2015 vs Adelaide and 2020 vs eagles). Although most are pretty bad at that at out club.

 

[TedDougChris]

At the risk of covering old news, did anyone read the WB website on the Bont playing more time as a forward?

Why not play him full time as a forward and only bring him into the square in an emergency (e.g. WB 1 point behind, centre bounce, 1 minute to go)?

Pros:
1) Eases pressures on midfield log jam. Midfield log jam could potentially cost us one or two star mids (e.g., Bailey Smith or Dunkley)
2) May preserve the Bont to get extra good seasons out of him post when he turns 30.
3) Bont is good overhead and is as big and burly as a KPF and we all know about his ground game and his footy IQ. Vastly superior option at CHF or FF than Bruce or Schache, so solves that problem. Bruce can be retooled as a 2nd ruck / resting forward and Schache can vie with Bailey Dale et al for a HFF spot, he is an HFF option with his long leading game where he makes his height an advantage, his accurate long kicking, his good handling skills and AFL level vision.

Cons:
No Bont in the midfield.

You weigh it up.

It's an interesting question, because who/where do these guys all play ?

Bruce, Naughton, Wallis, Weightman, Jamarra, Bont, Schache, Hannan, West, Cavarra, Dale, English.

You can argue - Naughton should play back in this case.

And you could argue - Schache won't make it, West isn't ready yet, Dale isn't up to it.

You still then have: Bruce, Bont, Jamarra, English (resting forward) - as KPP types. Wallis should be a lock as a mid-forward, Hannan/Cavarra/Weightman - then fighting for the last spot. I think it's one tall too many, would prefer three - and I'm not sure we want any of Bont/Jamarra/English - playing CHF all season.

So you have:

HF: Cavarra Bruce Wallis
FF: English (resting) Bont Jamarra (sometimes)

I'd prefer more pace in there if I'm honest - but I do agree with what you have said.

 

[BeMoreBont]

At the risk of covering old news, did anyone read the WB website on the Bont playing more time as a forward?

Why not play him full time as a forward and only bring him into the square in an emergency (e.g. WB 1 point behind, centre bounce, 1 minute to go)?

Pros:
1) Eases pressures on midfield log jam. Midfield log jam could potentially cost us one or two star mids (e.g., Bailey Smith or Dunkley)
2) May preserve the Bont to get extra good seasons out of him post when he turns 30.
3) Bont is good overhead and is as big and burly as a KPF and we all know about his ground game and his footy IQ. Vastly superior option at CHF or FF than Bruce or Schache, so solves that problem. Bruce can be retooled as a 2nd ruck / resting forward and Schache can vie with Bailey Dale et al for a HFF spot, he is an HFF option with his long leading game where he makes his height an advantage, his accurate long kicking, his good handling skills and AFL level vision.

Cons:
No Bont in the midfield.

You weigh it up.

Another significant con to add - we lose our best (by some margin) kick going inside 50. Which is arguably already our greatest weakness.

 

[doggies ftw]

It's an interesting question, because who/where do these guys all play ?

Bruce, Naughton, Wallis, Weightman, Jamarra, Bont, Schache, Hannan, West, Cavarra, Dale, English.

You can argue - Naughton should play back in this case.

And you could argue - Schache won't make it, West isn't ready yet, Dale isn't up to it.

You still then have: Bruce, Bont, Jamarra, English (resting forward) - as KPP types. Wallis should be a lock as a mid-forward, Hannan/Cavarra/Weightman - then fighting for the last spot. I think it's one tall too many, would prefer three - and I'm not sure we want any of Bont/Jamarra/English - playing CHF all season.

So you have:

HF: Cavarra Bruce Wallis
FF: English (resting) Bont Jamarra (sometimes)

I'd prefer more pace in there if I'm honest - but I do agree with what you have said.

Out of all the options we’ve got who can play forward, you’ve found arguably the worst forward line in the league

 

[TedDougChris]

Out of all the options we’ve got who can play forward, you’ve found arguably the worst forward line in the league

Just wait til we line up that way in Rd 1 !!

PS. There are a few clubs worse, but not many....

 

[Northernsoul74]

Another significant con to add - we lose our best (by some margin) kick going inside 50. Which is arguably already our greatest weakness.

Yep I wouldn’t be permanently moving our best midfielder out to full time forward.
I’d say we’d be a chance to lose Bont if he became a full time key forward.

 

[Golden_6]

I wouldn't want Bont spending anymore time forward than Dusty or Danger. He's a very handy forward but he's certainly not elite. Despite having a plethora of gun mids, the reality is that Bont is still our best midfielder and that taking him out for large stretches would somewhat hurt our team.

He was probably at an 80/20 split last year. I'd be comfortable moving that to around 60/40 and that's as far as I would go.

 

[Fossie 32]

I wouldn't want Bont spending anymore time forward than Dusty or Danger. He's a very handy forward but he's certainly not elite. Despite having a plethora of gun mids, the reality is that Bont is still our best midfielder and that taking him out for large stretches would somewhat hurt our team.

He was probably at an 80/20 split last year. I'd be comfortable moving that to around 60/40 and that's as far as I would go.

Which elite forwards are you concerned about him pushing out?

j/k fair point

 

[BEaston]

I wouldn't want Bont spending anymore time forward than Dusty or Danger. He's a very handy forward but he's certainly not elite. Despite having a plethora of gun mids, the reality is that Bont is still our best midfielder and that taking him out for large stretches would somewhat hurt our team.

He was probably at an 80/20 split last year. I'd be comfortable moving that to around 60/40 and that's as far as I would go.

I think I read some stats about Dusty playing more forward than mid these days.
Don't think Danger is far behind either.

 

[Northernsoul74]

The very good Carlton poster with intel has said we were very interred in Balta but no chance he leaves. At least we’re looking at that type.

 

[scooter600x]

2) May preserve the Bont to get extra good seasons out of him post when he turns 30.

Except it works the other way around. Constantly getting smashed from behind can destroy forwards, look how Dermott Brereton finished up physically.