Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 4 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

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Dogsman16

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Both are cooked with a capital C my dude.

Although so was Brian Lake when he went to win three flags with the Hawks so wtf do I know. Would prefer Tarrant.
Tex Walker was the definition of cooked about 3 months ago.

I still think Tarrant would be worth the punt at a reasonable price. Happy to leave Hurley alone though.
 

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Jordan Roughead - too slow? Bridges burned?
Majak mid season shot for p70?
McEvoy? (Back support, also a ruck if Stef ups stumps?
Carlisle? Has he matured, he'd be cheap?
 

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AFL app saying Libba has opened talks to renew contract

Bont edging towards a near long-term deal that could be announced in the coming weeks.

Stefan Martin is on track to meet his trigger for another year
Weird position - if Stef Martin is injured at the end of the year and looks cooked, I'd still offer him a rookie contract for next year as a virtual playing coach for Timmy/Jordan. He can play a couple of games next year as a chop out and provide a genuine pre-season contest for both kids to develop against.
 

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Weird position - if Stef Martin is injured at the end of the year and looks cooked, I'd still offer him a rookie contract for next year as a virtual playing coach for Timmy/Jordan. He can play a couple of games next year as a chop out and provide a genuine pre-season contest for both kids to develop against.
Doubt he would be on much money that would concern us for next year. Bit more of an incentive for him to step up this year.

Play like a hero to get us deep into finals and you can have one more year of above the average Australian wage

Think it's a win/win scenario
 

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Doubt he would be on much money that would concern us for next year. Bit more of an incentive for him to step up this year.

Play like a hero to get us deep into finals and you can have one more year of above the average Australian wage

Think it's a win/win scenario
The soft cap is starting to really bite. Assistant coaches (line coaches) are putting in up to 14 hours per day, any relief from that can only help us.
I'm still sad we didn't chase Anthony Rocca as a part time kicking coach too. He seems to be the AFL guru for goalkicking and based on this year's results he's wasted at North.
 

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Hayes and Smith getting no hype in VFL reports and not being selected for games. Both gone.

This could be Jong's final year if he doesn't get selected, although his recent form must have him close to next in line.

Same applies to Cav. Been impressing in the VFL, but if he isn't selected soon then you'd have to assume he's done.
 

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Of the out of contracts, I'd like to see:

Bont - whatever the fu** he wants
Cavarra - 1 year with trigger for 2nd
Duryea - 2 years
Gardner - 1 year with trigger for 2nd
Hayes - Delist
Jong - Delist or Rookie
Libba - 1 year with trigger for 2nd (flat 2 years is fine too)
Martin - Assuming he triggers the extension this year anyway
Smith - Delist
Wallis - 2 years
 

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Hayes and Smith getting no hype in VFL reports and not being selected for games. Both gone.

This could be Jong's final year if he doesn't get selected, although his recent form must have him close to next in line.

Same applies to Cav. Been impressing in the VFL, but if he isn't selected soon then you'd have to assume he's done.
I really have no idea why we retained Hayes & Smith. I understand you need depth but they are well down on the depth chart now. Both would be in the 32-36 range on our list despite both being in their mid 20s. We really should've used their spots on speculative KPD or small forward picks to develop. If both of these guys come close to getting a game then something has gone wrong during the year.
 

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I really have no idea why we retained Hayes & Smith. I understand you need depth but they are well down on the depth chart now. Both would be in the 32-36 range on our list despite both being in their mid 20s. We really should've used their spots on speculative KPD or small forward picks to develop. If both of these guys come close to getting a game then something has gone wrong during the year.
Both had their moments last year, but I'm not sure why we retained BOTH. One would have been more than enough, and could've then drafted speculatively as you said. Rather risk getting another Tweedie than retain someone who almost certainly won't play this year anyway and has had their chances
 

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I really have no idea why we retained Hayes & Smith. I understand you need depth but they are well down on the depth chart now. Both would be in the 32-36 range on our list despite both being in their mid 20s. We really should've used their spots on speculative KPD or small forward picks to develop. If both of these guys come close to getting a game then something has gone wrong during the year.
Couldn’t agree more, there’s just no situations where I would be using either, if somethings gone so horribly wrong that we need to play one of them then we’d be in such a bad spot id be playing untried kids in those spots and go full on youth. Hayes especially is so so soooo useless to this list, could offer a few teams good depth or a role player but not us
 

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I really have no idea why we retained Hayes & Smith. I understand you need depth but they are well down on the depth chart now. Both would be in the 32-36 range on our list despite both being in their mid 20s. We really should've used their spots on speculative KPD or small forward picks to develop. If both of these guys come close to getting a game then something has gone wrong during the year.
Are we getting more from Scott/McNeil types (ignoring where they were actually drafted - rookie/PSD/mid season/national etc) than from Hayes and Smith ???

I'd say yes - so why we kept them (Hayes and Smith) is a complete mystery....
 

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Are we getting more from Scott/McNeil types (ignoring where they were actually drafted - rookie/PSD/mid season/national etc) than from Hayes and Smith ???

I'd say yes - so why we kept them (Hayes and Smith) is a complete mystery....
I agree. They’ve had ample opportunity to show their wares.

Hayes has a big tank which helps when you only have 75 rotations but he doesn’t offer much else compared to those he’s competing with for a senior game.

The only reason I could think of keeping them is if one could transform himself into a hard tagger like de Boer. But that’s not how Bevo rolls.
 

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I agree. They’ve had ample opportunity to show their wares.

Hayes has a big tank which helps when you only have 75 rotations but he doesn’t offer much else compared to those he’s competing with for a senior game.

The only reason I could think of keeping them is if one could transform himself into a hard tagger like de Boer. But that’s not how Bevo rolls.
we had/have a history of picking up gems late and in the rookie draft. Smith and Hayes (though both far better footballers than I) - aren't that. With the additions of Treloar, Martin, Hannan and keeping Dunks - it would need to go catastrophically wrong that Hayes and Smith are the answer.

So why not take more kids, particularly in a year impacted by COVID - where less options were taken due to poor exposed form ? Why not get half a dozen guys to train with us over summer and give the two hardest workers a spot ???
 

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Roarke Smith played the last 4 games of the last AFL season and was quite serviceable in those games. He is reasonably versatile so I can see why he was retained as solid enough depth.

Agree on Hayes.
 

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Roarke Smith played the last 4 games of the last AFL season and was quite serviceable in those games. He is reasonably versatile so I can see why he was retained as solid enough depth.

Agree on Hayes.
I'd still argue against that.

Where can he play ? Mids - stacked for options there. Defenders - not KPP - so we are stacked for options there. Sort of forward - we have stacks of sort of forwards - but he's not a real forward (even though he can be a good set shot).

I just think he was a player that we gave a good shot - he wasn't going to take us to the next level and we needed to move him on.
 

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Bit harsh IMO, but a mate of mine used to joke that he couldn't tell Hayes, R.Smith and Gowers apart on the tv (rarely attends games), as one potato looks much like another. (I won't repeat the description he gave to Gardner, suffice to say he has revised that description this year.)

I dips me lid to any player who gets onto an AFL list, but we do seem to have a history of prolonging hard calls on the careers of some fringe players. Agree that it is perplexing we kept both Hayes and Smith on, rather than take a punt on at least one KPD for depth.
 

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Where can he play ? Mids - stacked for options there. Defenders - not KPP - so we are stacked for options there. Sort of forward - we have stacks of sort of forwards - but he's not a real forward (even though he can be a good set shot).
He played on a wing, a position we're still not settled on (would we really think McNeill would be taking rotations there before we even rookied him at teh end of last year?)
 

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Here's the list of free agent defensive/tall stocks available end of this year:-
Daniel Talia
Levi Casboult
Cale Hooker
Lachlan Henderson
Jake Kolodjashnij
Phil Davis
Ben McEvoy
Mitch Brown
Robbie Tarrant
Josh Walker
Mabior Chol
David Astbury
Dylan Grimes
James Frawley
Sam Reid (SYD)
 

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