Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 4 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Smiley Boy]

The talks with the injured ruckman that we were into a month ago have fallen through so that particular deal will not be happening.

Who was it?

 

[The Inbetweener]

Summary on us from the Herald Sun today:
Sweet has had an approach from another team and is weighing it up. We are keen for him to stay on.

Young also considering rival interest - we’ve offered him 2 years.

Wallis likely to stay as there is minimal interest from opposition.

 

[Maverick Dog]

The Lipinski thing s**** me. Yeah, he wants an opportunity, but if you grow up a Dogs fanatic and you see an ace midfield in front of you, wouldn't you want to back yourself to break into it and have a shot at winning a flag with your club? He's goes to the Pies and every chance they miss the eight the next few years.

Cannot blame him, MC gives mixed messages about VFL form And senior selection. They say they reward VFL form but promote players with ordinary form give them 10 weeks plus of poor or avaerage performance at AFL level. Other players who get 35 possessions and are BOG are promoted to sub or get 1 or 2 games to perform and vanished mid season not to reappear.

The kid has no choice and I believe this will bite us. Anyway our 27 years old Rookie won best first year player award. Will be interesting to see who will have the better career. The 27 yr old rookie who was gifted games or 23 yr old mid with the elite skills and vision. I have no doubt 1 will be a 200 plus game player and the other will struggle to get to 50. We of course invest in the Mitch Honeychurch/Billy Gowers/Will Hayes type player.

 

[Libbaaaa]

Lipinski has had more than enough opportunity. Unfortunately for him his lack of versatility and ability to play a certain role for the team had cost him.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Flynn, who is now about to re-sign with GWS?

That was my thought.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Ladhams is the ruck Bevo will go for. He has more mobility can play around the ground, more athletic. I was impressed with him this year, a good mark and has some attitude about him. Power will get it done.

Port fans say he’s not a good mark. Concrete hands is what they describe. He is very good around the ground and below the knees though.
I just can’t see how we satisfy port in a trade.

 

[doggy_dog]

The Lipinski thing s**** me. Yeah, he wants an opportunity, but if you grow up a Dogs fanatic and you see an ace midfield in front of you, wouldn't you want to back yourself to break into it and have a shot at winning a flag with your club? He's goes to the Pies and every chance they miss the eight the next few years.

I’m sure that would weigh on his mind but I can’t blame him at all. Think about where he’ll be at the end of this contract. He could stay with us, hang on the fringes again and then find himself a 26yr old who’s never cracked a senior rotation and suddenly out of the league. Or he can go to the Pies, barring injury probably play every game and have a good opportunity to show what he can do, and get a nice solid contract to set him up. It’s his future he has to think about and this is a make or break decision for him

 

[Dog 36]

The talks with the injured ruckman that we were into a month ago have fallen through so that particular deal will not be happening.

Why? The Dogs gone cold on him?
Player asking for more $ after what he saw on GF, the club he’s at asking too much?

 

[Northernsoul74]

Summary on us from the Herald Sun today:
Sweet has had an approach from another team and is weighing it up. We are keen for him to stay on.

Young also considering rival interest - we’ve offered him 2 years.

Wallis likely to stay as there is minimal interest from opposition.

Potentially losing Sweet as well? Lynch in the Lipinski trade sounds like a no brainer.

 

[Hoges64]

Flynn, who is now about to re-sign with GWS?

That was my thought.

Doesn't fit the "non-finals side" clue....

Also doesn't fit the "don't get excited about" clue, not that I believe that one ever actually existed.

 

[Dog 36]

Potentially losing Sweet as well? Lynch in the Lipinski trade sounds like a no brainer.

Martin no certainty to go on, Sweet and young both may explore elsewhere and all these 3 rucked at different times of the year.

English seems like he wants to be forward and a second ruck.

Interesting to say the least

I would get a specialist ruck coach ASAP

 

[Hoges64]

I've seen his name mentioned a couple of times here, but I'm surprised there isn't more talk about Darcy Cameron.

Out of contract this year, obviously playing second fiddle to Grundy. But he's looked very handy and capable when he's gone into the ruck. He's centre bounce work in particular has been quite good at times. I can recall some games where Grundy was benched in important moments and Cameron was preferred (last years elimination final v NicNat)

Is 26, 205cm. Kicked 22 goals from 18 games this year. Can take a clunk when forward.

If he wants a number 1 ruck spot let's give it to him. Will work really well with Timmy as both are very capable forward.

If we were a young side rebuilding I would be all for Max Lynch. But given our list profile Cameron makes much more sense.

I had no idea he was out of contract.

GIMME, GIMME, GIMME!!!!!!

 

[Doggy]

Martin no certainty to go on, Sweet and young both may explore elsewhere and all these 3 rucked at different times of the year.

English seems like he wants to be forward and a second ruck.

Interesting to say the least

I would get a specialist ruck coach ASAP

Well we screwed Sweet around so if he goes it's our own fault

We would be absolutely screwed

 

[Smiley Boy]

How many ruckman taken in the mid season draft? Was about 6-8 I believe?

Our list managers seriously dropped the ball here IMO we kept battlers like Hayes and Cavarra on the list after actually delisting them and now we’re in a position where another ruck in Sweet could potentially walk, Martin is close to cooked and English can’t ruck

For everything they have got right so far I feel that was a massive oversight from them

 

[doggy_dog]

I wonder if we’ve only offered Sweet another year on the rookie list and someone else has come knocking with a senior spot. Lachie Young

17

Lachie Young

Age

26

Ht

189cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

220.3

3star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.5

2star

HB

3.5

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

MG

210.0

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

219.6

4star

situation again

 

[Chops]

I wonder if we’ve only offered Sweet another year on the rookie list and someone else has come knocking with a senior spot. Lachie Young

17

Lachie Young

Age

26

Ht

189cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

220.3

3star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.5

2star

HB

3.5

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

MG

210.0

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

219.6

4star

situation again

meh
Lachie Young isn’t going anywhere as a player.
Sweet can go if he wants


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[Dog 36]

Well we screwed Sweet around so if he goes it's our own fault

We would be absolutely screwed

The other issue if Sweet goes is that our desperation to get another ruck in increases hence opposition clubs factor that in when negotiating.

Sadly the ruck situation feel s like its been neglected to an extent.

Martin 34yo may or may not play, Sweet may or may not stay, English sees himself as a forward 2nd ruck and the only other guys are Young who may leave also and Schache which I would say would not make it as a ruckman now.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Who would be interested in Sweet I can only think of two clubs Brisbane, swans

 

[Northernsoul74]

You’re not going to make us listen to it are you?

 

[Northernsoul74]

Who would be interested in Sweet I can only think of two clubs Brisbane, swans

Geelong. Hawks if they lose Ceglar and don’t get Lynch. Pies if they lose Cox and Lynch. Gold Coast. Saints.
Plenty of needs for back up rucks.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Geelong.

Saints

 

[Smiley Boy]

Saints

itll be the saints 100%

 

[doggies ftw]

Watching Sweet become a good player somewhere else would be the absolute pits. I dunno if he will be or not don’t know a huge amount about him, but we dropped the ball in not giving him more of a chance

 

[Doggy]

meh
Lachie Young isn’t going anywhere as a player.
Sweet can go if he wants


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And if he does where are our ruckmen? We have very few now as it is

 

[Al dente]

Cannot blame him, MC gives mixed messages about VFL form And senior selection. They say they reward VFL form but promote players with ordinary form give them 10 weeks plus of poor or avaerage performance at AFL level. Other players who get 35 possessions and are BOG are promoted to sub or get 1 or 2 games to perform and vanished mid season not to reappear.

The kid has no choice and I believe this will bite us. Anyway our 27 years old Rookie won best first year player award. Will be interesting to see who will have the better career. The 27 yr old rookie who was gifted games or 23 yr old mid with the elite skills and vision. I have no doubt 1 will be a 200 plus game player and the other will struggle to get to 50. We of course invest in the Mitch Honeychurch/Billy Gowers/Will Hayes type player.

all this talk about Lipinski misses the point. yes he's hard done by, yes he will play good football elsewhere but the reason for this treatment is he is very soft, critical missed tackles and 'flinches' in all the games that he was dropped after. Bevo has him stamped as a good player but too soft (currently)but happy to retain as depth on minimal wage. I agree with his assessment and just hope we get a decent pick for him. Good luck to him, could make a good winger in the travis johnstone mould at collingwood.