Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 4 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

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Anja_Nees

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What happened to the rumour that two of our Grand Final best 22 would be leaving in the off season? As far as I can tell none of them left.
There were rumours all over about it being a massive trade period for people wanting to go home and Bobby Hill was about it.

Just the usual trade gossip I guess.
 

Deadly Dunkley

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IN: Tim O’Brien (Hawthorn)

OUT: Patrick Lipinski (Collingwood), Lewis Young (Carlton)

PICKS: 23, 43, 44, 45, 52, 93

There was no last-minute Adam Treloar-like trade that consumed the Bulldogs in the final minutes of last year’s trade period. Early draft pick swaps garnered enough points to secure father-son pick Sam Darcy. This time around the Grand Final runners-up lost Patrick Lipinski and Lewis Young, both of whom were overlooked at crucial stages of the season, while bringing in Hawk Tim O’Brien. They managed to keep vice-captain Mitch Wallis (who has a new one-year deal) and Jordan Sweet (two seasons), the latter who attracted interest from a few rival clubs.

Expert Rating Glenn McFarlane 6.5 Avg Fan Rating 5

Meanwhile the Herald Sun's love affair with the Bombres continues, they did next to nothing, couldn't get a trade completed for Hill and get an 8 for bringing in Kelly !!

Essendon Bombers
IN: Jake Kelly (Ade)

OUT: None

PICKS: 11, 51, 56, 87

Improved its offer for Bobby Hill 48 hours from the deadline but were never going to sell the farm for him. A future-second-rounder for a forward who averaged nine possessions a game seemed about right, but GWS wasn’t interested. Still an excellent trade period as the Bombers snaffled underrated defender Jake Kelly for nothing. Watch the Bombers try to split pick 11 ahead of the draft.

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and boom there it is 😂. That’s for sharing. Now I know Essendon has won again I can move on 👍🏆🏆🏆
 

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Optimistic Dog

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Surely BTC Big Tom Campbell as a rookie is better insurance that a 35yo that will hardly ever get on the park. I get the feeling our cap is tight for the next few years in being able to maintain our list and that is probably the reason we did not go after a Ladhams. BTC will cost us less than Martin and as a tap ruckman is probably superior noting he will not give us much around the ground. Good insurance if Sweet does not measure up.
 
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BIG_BONTS

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Cheap insurance with BTC would help me emotionally cope with this off-season. Want a human shield for 🌶 and 🍬. The average age is around ruckmans peak is 26-30. We're still a few years off.

When will we know if we pick up BTC or COX? Great rookie spots
 

Mofra

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I know his output for goals wasn't amazing but we could do a lot worse than Gibbons who was delisted from Carlton. Nearly 3 tackles a game this year playing the small forward role.
Gibbons seems to have been rated higher than Cav in club land.
It's one area of the ground that is specialised enough to demand a one-position player yet decent mature age options can be found
 

redmania

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So we didn't re-sign Sweet and Stef? There was no one available that fit our cap/trade requirements. The vast majority of our better players are 26 or younger we are entering our window now. The club is also very bullish on the development Sweet can acheive this year
Fingers crossed for the lad. But I feel we could have bolstered more in that area like Ceglar or ladhams. I think it was a missed opportunity. But hopefully sweet can be the answer.
 

Foxman98

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Fingers crossed for the lad. But I feel we could have bolstered more in that area like Ceglar or ladhams. I think it was a missed opportunity. But hopefully sweet can be the answer.
Ceglar has never been anything other than a back up will be 31 and isn't better than a fit Martin and Ladhams is a huge DH hence he went cheaply and asked to leave
 

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Absolutely correct decision on rucks.
If Tim can't make it his own.l imagine he will be traded down the track.l still hold faith in him and Sweet..And another year of coaching and playing from Martin.Why not.
Darcy is taller than his Father.
Right decision made IMO
But like many l would prefer those 2 big blokes playing for the Dees.ATM
 

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The clubs website says we’re taking into the draft picks 23, 44, 45, 46, 52 & 93 so I’m going to take that as us being able to use all those picks. Hopefully trade down 23 knock out 93 and take a pretty decent second pick before upgrading Rookies
 

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Why was there such an emphasis from Sammy P to keep our first rounder next year? Should be around 15-18 unless we have identified a trade target already for next season?

Or the Croft boys looking like they're going to be Jets?
 

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Why was there such an emphasis from Sammy P to keep our first rounder next year? Should be around 15-18 unless we have identified a trade target already for next season?

Or the Croft boys looking like they're going to be Jets?
I think Sam's really big on keeping first rounders if at all possible. We've done well with them, even late first rounders like English and Weightman.
 

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Why was there such an emphasis from Sammy P to keep our first rounder next year? Should be around 15-18 unless we have identified a trade target already for next season?

Or the Croft boys looking like they're going to be Jets?
He just seems very very protective of first round picks. His strategy is draft with your first rounder, be open to use other picks for trades.
 

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Looking at Sweets stats again from his games it’s not the worst reading - I might watch a couple back when I get a chance.

Will be 24 early next season and he’s already a huge unit. It’s literally all about getting that tank up this preseason, just ground coverage that’s all that needs to improve for him to be an adequate option IMO. My idea would be a pretty even 60/40 split with Timmy, Sweet aiming for around 80% game time each week with 20% forward. He can be a target down there he’s actually quite smart at VFL level, just bring the ball to ground and he’s a good kick usually. That should keep him fresh enough to cover the ground for his time in ruck. His clearance and tackle numbers are actually really good and he won’t get dominated in the hitouts by most ruckmen again it’s just about him getting to contests.

40/60 is perfect for Tim, we don’t want him sitting deep forward all game playing a key position post. He does his best work getting around the ground and then pushing deep hard to get a mismatch. Plus his work up the ground is elite for a tall utility. With Sweet taking the brunt of the ruck that should allow Timmy to chop out, especially later in games and be a real weapon with his height and skills when he gets going he hits some really nice hits to advantage but just gets bullied if asked to carry all the grunt work.

Both 24 so no excuses for either, it’s a good mix. Sweet with game time will really come into his own imo.

Still want another back up though.
 

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Why was there such an emphasis from Sammy P to keep our first rounder next year? Should be around 15-18 unless we have identified a trade target already for next season?

Or the Croft boys looking like they're going to be Jets?
As much as JUH and Darcy are no-brainers, it would kill any list manager to not have any flexibility with their first rounders two years in a row.
 

Norm De Guerre

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Why was there such an emphasis from Sammy P to keep our first rounder next year? Should be around 15-18 unless we have identified a trade target already for next season?

Or the Croft boys looking like they're going to be Jets?
I reckon its purely because it gives the recruiters the flexibility that they haven't had in the last two drafts due to the JUH and Darcy 1st round gifts.

Edit: Errrr. Or what Dannnnn said.
 
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threenewpadlocks

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People do love a bit of a melt by the fact that we didn't get C-grade rucks who probably wouldn't be any better than English either as a forward or in the ruck.

If we establish that English will start as our opening ruck for the season, it's more than fine. Sweet and Martin are both adequate backup providing x2 depth, and English is better in the ruck than people love to go on about (people love isolating the bad moments and completely ignoring the good games and positive value, like the fact he's proven he can win 20 touches through the ruck which not many can). He should also simply get better with age and another pre-season.

If anything, there's more concern without English and Bruce playing forward, whether Schache and JUH, who I presume now make the best 22 with English rucking, are consistent and solid enough to be our 2nd and 3rd key forward.

Maybe the fact that English kicked 0 goals total across the entire finals series have led us to believe his future lies back in the ruck and not in the forward line.

If anything people should be melting that our decisions are putting a lot of trust and faith in Schache (who half the board wanted to delist) and JUH to kick on, given they're getting games if English is rucking, rather than English himself, it's entirely fair to say that Ceglar would have competed with Schache for a forward/ruck role and given us more diversity in selection choices, rather than the fact that he's an better player than English and Schache (because he isn't). I certainly would have liked to recruit him.

And the thing is it was reported that we had interest, so it's not as if we didn't try. Maybe we just didn't want to tell him that we would guarantee him a game ahead of Schache or whoever, and then he lost interest in us.
 

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