Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 4 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

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LukasTheGreat

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What's the exact rules on list spots & the draft? The deal that the Tigers just did with the Pies for 27, we should've offered up pick 23 for the same deal. The Pies just got 200 extra points AND an extra third rounder next year.
It makes a lot more sense to do this trade live on draft day rather than in advance. It's not clear to me why Collingwood needed to do this deal now.

We already have a points excess to match Darcy at pick #2 so we don't need extra points this year. We should downgrade pick #23 for a lower pick this year while having just enough points to match Darcy and then taking the premium in 2022 picks. What we can afford to downgrade pick #23 to (and therefore the residual value we can take in 2022 picks) changes massively depending on where the bid for Darcy comes and so we should wait to know the answer before pulling the trigger. I suspect Sam Power will have pre-planned pick swaps lined up for every scenario between Darcy being bid on at pick #1 through #4 and the interaction with the Daicos bid.
 

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What's the exact rules on list spots & the draft? The deal that the Tigers just did with the Pies for 27, we should've offered up pick 23 for the same deal. The Pies just got 200 extra points AND an extra third rounder next year.
I'd suggest we didn't do that deal because we believe we can do better.

It is also worth noting that while that is a good deal for Collingwood, it is also pretty handy for us.
Collingwood now have 3 picks before our picks instead of 2, so if Daicos is bid on before Darcy our picks 43, 44 and 45 move two spots forward instead of 1 (They will then all be pushed back 1 when a pick is generated for Darcy). Also, confusing as it is, they are all effectively the same pick because each one will disappear and be replaced by the subsequent pick as part of the matching process. This means we effectively now have 3 pick 42's to match with instead of 3 pick 43's. Pick 52 will also improve by one spot due to this trade, all of which totals to an additional 64 points on the back of the Collingwood Richmond trade.
 

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I'd suggest we didn't do that deal because we believe we can do better.

It is also worth noting that while that is a good deal for Collingwood, it is also pretty handy for us.
Collingwood now have 3 picks before our picks instead of 2, so if Daicos is bid on before Darcy our picks 43, 44 and 45 move two spots forward instead of 1 (They will then all be pushed back 1 when a pick is generated for Darcy). Also, confusing as it is, they are all effectively the same pick because each one will disappear and be replaced by the subsequent pick as part of the matching process. This means we effectively now have 3 pick 42's to match with instead of 3 pick 43's. Pick 52 will also improve by one spot due to this trade, all of which totals to an additional 64 points on the back of the Collingwood Richmond trade.
Assuming Daicos is bid on before Darcy. Appears GWS prefer to go tall with their pick so there’s a not insignificant risk they bypass Daicos and go straight for Darcy.

So our three back to back picks in the 40s are all essentially the value of the highest one as the latter two move forward as the one in front is used? I didn’t know that. I thought they were all applied simultaneously. Is there somewhere online where what you’ve said is confirmed as the process? Not doubting you FYI, it just hadn’t seen that before.
 

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I'd suggest we didn't do that deal because we believe we can do better.

It is also worth noting that while that is a good deal for Collingwood, it is also pretty handy for us.
Collingwood now have 3 picks before our picks instead of 2, so if Daicos is bid on before Darcy our picks 43, 44 and 45 move two spots forward instead of 1 (They will then all be pushed back 1 when a pick is generated for Darcy). Also, confusing as it is, they are all effectively the same pick because each one will disappear and be replaced by the subsequent pick as part of the matching process. This means we effectively now have 3 pick 42's to match with instead of 3 pick 43's. Pick 52 will also improve by one spot due to this trade, all of which totals to an additional 64 points on the back of the Collingwood Richmond trade.
I have queried this previously and don't believe it is correct that the picks update in real time.

You can see this in the matching of JUH last year where we used picks #29, #33, #41, #42, #52 and #54 and got pick #61 back. I believe the way this worked was those 6 picks have a points value of 2,489 and we needed 2,400 to match JUH. The extra 89 points equates to pick #66 (80 points) which at the end of the matching moves forward 5 spots to pick #61. If the picks updated in real time we would have only needed to use pick #29, #32 (#33-1), #39 (#41-2), #39 (#42-3) and #48 (#52-4) = 2,431 points and the original pick #54 would not have been needed in the matching.

I agree with the comment that its good that Collingwood now have 3 picks instead of 2 ahead of our picks in the 40s as long as Daicos is bid on first.
 

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Is it likely we pick up a delisted player ? Bit lost with the list spots . Obviously we take Darcy and one more draftee then re draft a current player ?
 

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Assuming Daicos is bid on before Darcy. Appears GWS prefer to go tall with their pick so there’s a not insignificant risk they bypass Daicos and go straight for Darcy.

So our three back to back picks in the 40s are all essentially the value of the highest one as the latter two move forward as the one in front is used? I didn’t know that. I thought they were all applied simultaneously. Is there somewhere online where what you’ve said is confirmed as the process? Not doubting you FYI, it just hadn’t seen that before.
It seems that I had this wrong as pointed out by doggiesin08.
Not sure where I got that idea from - I think I read something a few years back that gave me the impression that was how it worked.
 

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