Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 4 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

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footscray1973

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I'm not counting chickens yet, but we got the best kid in the draft last year, made the granny, then get a kid at pick 2 or 3 who may have a younger brother or two that is also draftable. Crofty is a beast of a kid too, same scout that picked Darcy out when he was barely on the radar saw Jordan at an underage game and thinks he's already bigger than his dad Crofty Snr.
It's a very fortunate time to be a bulldog.
Yeah, sorry Mofra, was just having fun with a long-running 'joke' (and remembering the third Cloke was the best of the lot!). Other than the Cats back in the Ablett, Scarlett days (with Blake and Woolnough and Callan diluting the strike-rate a little), has any other club produced highly draftable off-spring to the degree we are seeing come through now, even with our relative 'misses' like Ayce?
As you say, what a time to be a Bulldog!
 

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Yeah, sorry Mofra, was just having fun with a long-running 'joke' (and remembering the third Cloke was the best of the lot!). Other than the Cats back in the Ablett, Scarlett days (with Blake and Woolnough and Callan diluting the strike-rate a little), has any other club produced highly draftable off-spring to the degree we are seeing come through now, even with our relative 'misses' like Ayce?
As you say, what a time to be a Bulldog!
We passe don a few as well that might have thrived in different systems - Fossie's kid was better than his time at Carlton suggested. Darcy McPherson is doing ok, and his brother Ewan should be a little surprised we haven't nominated him.
 

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footscray1973

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We passe don a few as well that might have thrived in different systems - Fossie's kid was better than his time at Carlton suggested. Darcy McPherson is doing ok, and his brother Ewan should be a little surprised we haven't nominated him.
Certainly beats the 1970s to 1990s era. We picked up young Ted, Ross Abbey and Luke Darcy, but other father-sons (or potential father-sons) in those decades like Paul Ross (son of Don), David Round, Jarrod Thorpe, Andrew Merrington, etc never made the grade, or even arrived at the club.

Anyway, all swings and roundabouts - we nabbed Picken, Wynd and Dimattina amongst others whose fathers had played elsewhere, whilst missing out on Ronnie Wearmouth, Mike Moncrieff, Ryan O'Keefe and Dan Hanneberry and the Reid boys going back the other way.

Not sure if it was you, but someone on here has suggested several times there should be no game limit (i.e. one game is enough) on father-son (as there now is for father-daughter for different reasons) to ensure the romance of the scenario. Lots of qualifications to that playing out, but not sure 100 is the perfect number.
 

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Certainly beats the 1970s to 1990s era. We picked up young Ted, Ross Abbey and Luke Darcy, but other father-sons (or potential father-sons) in those decades like Paul Ross (son of Don), David Round, Jarrod Thorpe, Andrew Merrington, etc never made the grade, or even arrived at the club.

Anyway, all swings and roundabouts - we nabbed Picken, Wynd and Dimattina amongst others whose fathers had played elsewhere, whilst missing out on Ronnie Wearmouth, Mike Moncrieff, Ryan O'Keefe and Dan Hanneberry and the Reid boys going back the other way.

Not sure if it was you, but someone on here has suggested several times there should be no game limit (i.e. one game is enough) on father-son (as there now is for father-daughter for different reasons) to ensure the romance of the scenario. Lots of qualifications to that playing out, but not sure 100 is the perfect number.
Interesting.

No I didn't suggest that, it's probably a hard one to put a games tally on it that everyone agrees with.
 

footscray1973

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Interesting.

No I didn't suggest that, it's probably a hard one to put a games tally on it that everyone agrees with.
Ok, sorry, there is a WB poster on here who has raised it in several discussions, just can't recall who it is.

I think it was because of the disparity between the old VFL figure of 50 games minimum, now AFL figure of 100, but then WAFL/SANFL games is considerably more, like the Bryce Gibbs scenario:

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Certainly beats the 1970s to 1990s era. We picked up young Ted, Ross Abbey and Luke Darcy, but other father-sons (or potential father-sons) in those decades like Paul Ross (son of Don), David Round, Jarrod Thorpe, Andrew Merrington, etc never made the grade, or even arrived at the club.

Anyway, all swings and roundabouts - we nabbed Picken, Wynd and Dimattina amongst others whose fathers had played elsewhere, whilst missing out on Ronnie Wearmouth, Mike Moncrieff, Ryan O'Keefe and Dan Hanneberry and the Reid boys going back the other way.

Not sure if it was you, but someone on here has suggested several times there should be no game limit (i.e. one game is enough) on father-son (as there now is for father-daughter for different reasons) to ensure the romance of the scenario. Lots of qualifications to that playing out, but not sure 100 is the perfect number.
You’d have clubs outbidding each other to get a champion player to unretire and play 1 game at 45 so they could qualify to get their up and coming 12 year old kids in that scenario!
 

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Certainly beats the 1970s to 1990s era. We picked up young Ted, Ross Abbey and Luke Darcy, but other father-sons (or potential father-sons) in those decades like Paul Ross (son of Don), David Round, Jarrod Thorpe, Andrew Merrington, etc never made the grade, or even arrived at the club.

Anyway, all swings and roundabouts - we nabbed Picken, Wynd and Dimattina amongst others whose fathers had played elsewhere, whilst missing out on Ronnie Wearmouth, Mike Moncrieff, Ryan O'Keefe and Dan Hanneberry and the Reid boys going back the other way.

Not sure if it was you, but someone on here has suggested several times there should be no game limit (i.e. one game is enough) on father-son (as there now is for father-daughter for different reasons) to ensure the romance of the scenario. Lots of qualifications to that playing out, but not sure 100 is the perfect number.
Personally I'd go the opposite direction. Games limit should go up to 150, if not 200. Some of these guys qualifying for father son, especially at other clubs, have me googling to find out who on earth their dads were.

Names like West, Darcy, Daicos, etc. are great to see continuing their fathers' legacy. On the other hand, I'd never heard of the fathers of Sam Simpson and Bailey Rice.

Even just considering Bulldogs players, Darcy and West would belong in my idea of the father son rule, while the Cordy brothers wouldn't.
 

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Certainly beats the 1970s to 1990s era. We picked up young Ted, Ross Abbey and Luke Darcy, but other father-sons (or potential father-sons) in those decades like Paul Ross (son of Don), David Round, Jarrod Thorpe, Andrew Merrington, etc never made the grade, or even arrived at the club.

Anyway, all swings and roundabouts - we nabbed Picken, Wynd and Dimattina amongst others whose fathers had played elsewhere, whilst missing out on Ronnie Wearmouth, Mike Moncrieff, Ryan O'Keefe and Dan Hanneberry and the Reid boys going back the other way.

Not sure if it was you, but someone on here has suggested several times there should be no game limit (i.e. one game is enough) on father-son (as there now is for father-daughter for different reasons) to ensure the romance of the scenario. Lots of qualifications to that playing out, but not sure 100 is the perfect number.
Butch Edwards
 

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Alex Rance?
 

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footscray1973

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Personally I'd go the opposite direction. Games limit should go up to 150, if not 200. Some of these guys qualifying for father son, especially at other clubs, have me googling to find out who on earth their dads were.

Names like West, Darcy, Daicos, etc. are great to see continuing their fathers' legacy. On the other hand, I'd never heard of the fathers of Sam Simpson and Bailey Rice.

Even just considering Bulldogs players, Darcy and West would belong in my idea of the father son rule, while the Cordy brothers wouldn't.
The Cordys (the original 4 brothers in the 70s/80s) were a Traralgon/Footscray family - both Neil and Brian played over 100 games for us, can't agree with you there, though I take your point to a degree about the number of games. Also Dean Rice had 3 knee recos over his career yet still played 100+ games at 2 clubs over 15 years, so while you might not have heard of him, was a fair footballer.
 

footscray1973

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Alex Rance?
Yeah, tough one, Murray played 2 seasons with us, then went back to WA and captained West Coast. Also had an extensive career at Swan Districts either side of his AFL career. On balance, West Coast should probably have had first dibs at Alex - if he'd been able to nominate as a f/s.
 

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The Cordys (the original 4 brothers in the 70s/80s) were a Traralgon/Footscray family - both Neil and Brian played over 100 games for us, can't agree with you there, though I take your point to a degree about the number of games. Also Dean Rice had 3 knee recos over his career yet still played 100+ games at 2 clubs over 15 years, so while you might not have heard of him, was a fair footballer.
They have the family history, but that's more a "gut feel" approach than any objective metric. I meant it more to emphasize the fact I feel we should have missed out as Brian didn't have the history on his own. Neil Cordy is the bigger name, but shouldn't have any influence on Zaine or Ayces eligibility.

Father son is an inherently unfair system, but is relatively unique to our sport so I wouldn't go as far as saying it should be removed. I just think it should be heavily restricted, and not something we're seeing come up multiple times per year. It's the kind of thing a club should see once in a decade or generation, not once every couple of years.
 

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Yeah, sorry Mofra, was just having fun with a long-running 'joke' (and remembering the third Cloke was the best of the lot!). Other than the Cats back in the Ablett, Scarlett days (with Blake and Woolnough and Callan diluting the strike-rate a little), has any other club produced highly draftable off-spring to the degree we are seeing come through now, even with our relative 'misses' like Ayce?
As you say, what a time to be a Bulldog!
We've got at least a decade of great football to look forward to!
 

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They have the family history, but that's more a "gut feel" approach than any objective metric. I meant it more to emphasize the fact I feel we should have missed out as Brian didn't have the history on his own. Neil Cordy is the bigger name, but shouldn't have any influence on Zaine or Ayces eligibility.

Father son is an inherently unfair system, but is relatively unique to our sport so I wouldn't go as far as saying it should be removed. I just think it should be heavily restricted, and not something we're seeing come up multiple times per year. It's the kind of thing a club should see once in a decade or generation, not once every couple of years.
In the next two years it absolutely should not exceed 186 games ;)
 

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GWS apparently interested in trading pick 13 for a future first.
I wonder if we could trade them our future first and say Geelong's future second (traded for 23) for pick 13 contingent on them not bidding.
 

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GWS apparently interested in trading pick 13 for a future first.
I wonder if we could trade them our future first and say Geelong's future second (traded for 23) for pick 13 contingent on them not bidding.
Next years draft looks pretty solid early. I’d rather hold our pick tbh.
 

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Next years draft looks pretty solid early. I’d rather hold our pick tbh.
Don't see Sam P trading out a 1st Rnder for pick 13 too many variables and limits options for next year. And don't see a player at 13 that would be enough of a difference maker to warrant giving up the future 1st
 

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Next years draft looks pretty solid early. I’d rather hold our pick tbh.
Knowing our luck, Jordan Croft (who I believe just sneaks into eligibility by a week or two) does a Darcy and goes from middle of the pack prospect to a first round prospect on the back of ridiculous early season form.
It would be worth it for the AFL community meltdown

Note: There's even an Eagleton next year, then another Darcy the year after
 

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