Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 4 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

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Deadly Dunkley

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So far this off season we have traded out 2 non best 22 players and traded in 1 player who looks like he will be best 22.

We have somehow turned pick 17 into picks 2 and 41 and simultaneously strengthened our 2022 hand (presuming we finish higher than Norf).

That's nuts and yet some posters seem underwhelmed by Sam's efforts. Sheesh
i don’t understand how the hell we have managed to get back in at 41, let alone north’s 3rd rounder next year, with the hand we had before trade period. The blokes a magician.
 

gangsta deluxe

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Our next pick is ahead of Collingwood’s by about 4 places. Considering we had to spend a few hundred more points on Darcy than they did Daicos, and we were GFs and they were second last, that’s a fairly good outcome.
They’re still stuck in the miasma of fail that Ned Guy left them in
 

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So far this off season we have traded out 2 non best 22 players and traded in 1 player who looks like he will be best 22.

We have somehow turned pick 17 into picks 2 and 41 and simultaneously strengthened our 2022 hand (presuming we finish higher than Norf).

That's nuts and yet some posters seem underwhelmed by Sam's efforts. Sheesh
He has done such a good job that it will have people justifiably looking at the bidding and points system for F/S and NGA. Good on Sam for manipulating it but it is flawed clearly.

Yes from a Bulldogs perspective we should be rapt, but let’s be honest if this is was Geelong or Richmond we would be up in arms at how a club could turn pick 17 and two fringe players into pick 2 and pick 41.
 

Mofra

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Check the first stickied post here:

 

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RedWhite&Blue

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Can someone please lay out exactly what picks we used to get Darcy and what picks we have left to use in the draft.
If you could also include all the pick swaps that happened in regards to us shipping pick 23 out.
I'd love a summary and I'm not smart enough to work it all out myself, but I love it!
 

Northernsoul74

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Can someone please lay out exactly what picks we used to get Darcy and what picks we have left to use in the draft.
If you could also include all the pick swaps that happened in regards to us shipping pick 23 out.
I'd love a summary and I'm not smart enough to work it all out myself, but I love it!
What happened and where we stand after the first night of the National Draft:

We entered National Draft night 1 with picks 23, 43, 44, 45 and 52 (plus some later round picks if needed, but with no points value).

At the start of the night we traded in picks 32, 34, 42 and 47 but traded out one of those (pick 32) plus picks 23 and 52. We also did a swap of future thirds with North but that has no bearing on the 2021 draft.

This left us with picks 34, 42, 43, 44, 45 and 47.
We used picks 34, 42, 43, 44, and 45 with a total value 2024 points to match the bid on Sam Darcy at #2 (2517 pts less 20% = 2014 pts).
This left us with pick 47 plus I think pick 73 (worth 9 points) which we are awarded due to the residual points after matching the Darcy bid (10 points left over).

These picks are moved backward one place for each matched bid above them, but forward by as many picks as are used to match those bids. That's because those matching picks can no longer be used to select players, hence everything after them shuffles up to take their place.

All of that, along with whatever jiggerypokery the AFL has added (priority picks, compensations picks, residual pick for Collingwood after Daicos matched bid) means the Bulldogs are now left with picks 41 and 64 at the commencement of night 2. That is, pick 47 came forward to become pick 41 and pick 73 became pick 64.

That's my reading of it anyway, with a bit of help from Lore's nifty draft spreadsheet. Happy to be corrected.

And of course it could all change as Night 2 unfolds. If there are further matched bids there will be more shuffling up and down.
There could be more trading of picks too, although that becomes much less likely as they get down to the later rounds.
 

Bulldog Banana

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You’d have clubs outbidding each other to get a champion player to unretire and play 1 game at 45 so they could qualify to get their up and coming 12 year old kids in that scenario!
Yeah, I remember Bob Davis saying that he'd like to adopt Luke Hodge so Geelong could've father son'd him. :tearsofjoy:
 

footscray1973

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You are correct

Cousins as Shane is originally from Bunbury WA
Wow, thanks - especially after 400+ pages and nearly 6 months! I'd forgotten I asked that question, but appreciate the answer, cheers.

Looks like he never did get drafted in the MSD and spent the season at Peel. Is he a chance tonight?
 

Islanda22

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Wow, thanks - especially after 400+ pages and nearly 6 months! I'd forgotten I asked that question, but appreciate the answer, cheers.

Looks like he never did get drafted in the MSD and spent the season at Peel. Is he a chance tonight?
I happened to be searching for Shane Thorne as i know him well LOL

Tyrone had a decent season again in the WAFL after an outstanding 2020 season

I just think he is a little too small at 169cm/58kg
 

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