Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 4 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[cecil]

Ladhams yes Clurey is more of what we have got should be asking the question of Adelaide for McAsey

I see Clurey playing as a 3rd tall alongside Keath and Gardner (who I think has the tools to be a decent 2nd tall). Cordy and Wood as depth.

 

[BRWB]

Clurey is shorter than Zaine isn't he?

 

[Foxman98]

Clurey is shorter than Zaine isn't he?

Same

 

[maddog37]

Clurey is shorter than Zaine isn't he?

Dale Morris is 190cm

 

[doggies ftw]

I see Clurey playing as a 3rd tall alongside Keath and Gardner (who I think has the tools to be a decent 2nd tall). Cordy and Wood as depth.

This set up I don’t mind at all. Clurey & Ladhams would be good additions that improve us

 

[BulldogMuscle]

Regarding Sweet

"In the five games the 23-year-old played, the Bulldogs won four of them and led the led the clearance count in all five"

Should never of dropped Sweet after that game vs Melbourne, should of just worked with him all year until Martin was fit again..

 

[DognBones]

Thats what his AFL profile has him listed at

The player stats on Footywire are far more accurate than the inflated stats on the WB website. For example, Young is listed on our website as 201cm and yet he looks tiny up against opposition rucks of 'similar' height. I'm inclined to believe the 197cm listed on Footywire.
Bruce is 197 on Footywire but 198 on our website.
Stick with Footywire.

 

[Del165892]

Regarding Sweet

"In the five games the 23-year-old played, the Bulldogs won four of them and led the led the clearance count in all five"

Correlation does not imply causation. We also have something like a 90% winrate when both Anthony Scott and Lachie McNeil are in the side.

 

[Le Grille]

Yeah, still hasn't signed yet

I thought he had, would’ve like north to have a sniff


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[Dog 36]

Correlation does not imply causation. We also have something like a 90% winrate when both Anthony Scott and Lachie McNeil are in the side.

Don't disagree with you, but Sweets position is more specialised and identifiable than Scott and McNeil.

Players that have played in Scott and McNeil position this year, I don't mind and can stomach and can see why some are played ahead of these two. I can't say the same when it came to the ruck position and not playing Sweet.

You can use stats to show a lot of things, but with me it comes down to the eye test, and I saw enough in Sweet especially ability to compete to say he should have been played ahead of others in the ruck.

Bottom lime is our ruck situation is concerning and has been for sometime and may come to bite us if it hasn't already.

 

[footscray1973]

Dale Morris is 190cm

No disrespect, and without wanting to over-state it, Dale Morris was a generational lock-down defender who played above his height consistently across his career. To be in his league at 190cm, anyone else (Cordy, Clurey, whoever) would need to be outstanding.

Edit: of course he also consistently played below his height too, moreso early in his career.

 

[Foxman98]

No disrespect, and without wanting to over-state it, Dale Morris was a generational lock-down defender who played above his height consistently across his career. To be in his league at 190cm, anyone else (Cordy, Clurey, whoever) would need to be outstanding.

Yep and we had this generations in Rampe training with us for years and dint take him

 

[TMoney22]

I would get a specialist ruck coach ASAP

Been saying every year around this time Dean Cox would be great for us as Senior Assistant. Been at the Swans for ages so can't be too bad and probably needs a change if he wants to progress his coaching

 

[Northernsoul74]

Trade wrap: Bulldogs tall to meet with rivals; how Blues may poach star without a trade

Trade wrap: Bulldogs tall to meet with rivals; how Blues may poach star without a trade

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Smiley Boy]

Trade wrap: Bulldogs tall to meet with rivals; how Blues may poach star without a trade

Trade wrap: Bulldogs tall to meet with rivals; how Blues may poach star without a trade

www.foxsports.com.au

sounds like we’re worried they’ll walk him to PSD

 

[dergert]

I thought he had, would’ve like north to have a sniff


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He still hasn't signed?

Would be a great pick up. Could be something happening behind the scenes.

 

[Doggy]

sounds like we’re worried they’ll walk him to PSD

Rarely happens, unlikely to here.

 

[Le Grille]

He still hasn't signed?

Would be a great pick up. Could be something happening behind the scenes.

Like I said I thought he did, I thought I’d saw one of those Twitter re-signing graphic doovalavkeys

 

[Mofra]

I see Clurey playing as a 3rd tall alongside Keath and Gardner (who I think has the tools to be a decent 2nd tall). Cordy and Wood as depth.

If we're after a '3rd' tall I'd prefer Lienert. A little taller and a little quicker.

 

[Mofra]

I know about as much as can be expected to know of a 4 game AFL player. I saw several early season VFL games where he was great. I know he’s one of the better ruckman in the VFL most weeks (although did have some poor games towards the end of the year) I’ve seen enough to suggest that he was worth persisting with over our other options at the time, which were basically nothing. No ones saying he should have played every week but there was enough opportunity to let him settle into the role for a few more weeks when we had literally no other option yet we resorted to playing Tim lone ruck etc, we would have at least known a bit more about Sweet either way right now.

What do you mean he can’t rest forward, he rests forward with great effect in the VFL? Not at AFL level but how would we know that? His tank needs work but wasn’t a huge issue holding him back in the games we did see imo

His late VFL form was terrible, and we selected Young ahead of him late in the year for a reason.
He shows promise but he just wasn't ready. One of his AFL games was against the Suns who were throwing a NEAFL-standard KPD into the ruck out of desperation. He would have perhaps debuted in 2020 except for Bevo publicly stating he lacks forward-craft and I haven't seen anything to suggest it has improved much in 2021.

Again, I'm not a fan of 'gifting' games to players unless they deserve it. I hope we keep him and he has a big pre-season but he just played about as much as could be expected.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Rarely happens, unlikely to here.

Sadly there is a bit of a perfect storm brewing that makes getting one of Lipinski or Krueger via the psd more likely than usual. Going that route would free up an extra list spot for them to use to match a Daicos bid in the National Draft.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

People have to stop psychoanalysing the Lipinski game.

He's got good endurance (GPS numbers), is a bit more of a soft outside player, and I think the issue is often he lacks a bit of concentration - attacks ball randomly and loses sight of blokes he's going to run with. When Richmond cut us up with pretty much their most injured team of last year, playing half a team that hadn't gotten to 50 games but still won by 7 goals in shortened quarter - a lot of that was on Lipinski, who only got 9 touches whilst players like Derek Eggmolesse-Smith

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Derek...

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27

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310.5

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10.3

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2.5

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310.5

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and Jack Ross

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Jack Ross

Age

25

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

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7.8

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3.0

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13.7

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6.7

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7.0

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1.7

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1.7

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2.0

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17.8

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8.0

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2.6

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cut us up on the outside.

I get that.

On the other hand, he's clearly a natural midfielder who knows where to run to win the ball in transition, is tall, strong and reasonably athletic to take overhead marks and beat players physically (when he decides to attack the ball), has clean hands when the ball hits the deck, makes quick decisions in traffic, and is skilled by both hand and foot:

Just watch this game, for example:

https://www.afl.com.au/stats/stats-pro#/Watch/CD_I1003130/CD_M20210140102

In other words, he's an onballer.

We have an elite group of onballers who are better than him.

We clearly rate him enough as a player to guarantee three more years as a player despite not giving him games in the back end of the year. So it clearly means that we rate his ability to develop as a player and contribute, but just that at this particular point in time with our team balance, we couldn't give him games. And that's fair enough. There's no shame in not being a better midfielder than Bont, Macrea, Libba, Treloar, Dunkley, Hunter, Smith.

Collingwood surely can't offer him more money than we can, given their salary cap issues. So he's leaving for opportunity.

That's fine. That's happened to good teams in a salary cap league (and even without a salary cap) for decades.

It doesn't have to be deeper than that. He's a talent player with some flaws in which his production and apparent value and skills are diminished as a result of being played out of position, is behind more talented players who plays his position, we rate him enough as a player to give him a decent contract in spite of not being able to guarantee playing him in position, and he wants to leave in order to give himself the best chance of having a long AFL career by putting himself in the shop window by playing his best, natural position.

 

[Del165892]

I wonder if the reason that Lipinski wants to leave is due to the formation of cliques within the group. Perhaps Bevo has lost the players or there are deep cultural issues fracturing our team.

 

[maddog37]

No disrespect, and without wanting to over-state it, Dale Morris was a generational lock-down defender who played above his height consistently across his career. To be in his league at 190cm, anyone else (Cordy, Clurey, whoever) would need to be outstanding.

Edit: of course he also consistently played below his height too, moreso early in his career.

I’m was just using Dale as an example that height is not the be all and end all. Rampe another great example. Heath Grundy and Hurley went ok at times too. We just need a strong bodied defender to help the zone.

 

[ossie_21]

Tom Lynch (Crom) is joining North as a development coach, might play VFL unless he gets rookie listed.

He was mentioned as a Bruce stop-gap, but sounds like he’s pretty much cooked