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Why was there such an emphasis from Sammy P to keep our first rounder next year? Should be around 15-18 unless we have identified a trade target already for next season?

Or the Croft boys looking like they're going to be Jets?
 

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Why was there such an emphasis from Sammy P to keep our first rounder next year? Should be around 15-18 unless we have identified a trade target already for next season?

Or the Croft boys looking like they're going to be Jets?

I think Sam's really big on keeping first rounders if at all possible. We've done well with them, even late first rounders like English and Weightman.
 
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Why was there such an emphasis from Sammy P to keep our first rounder next year? Should be around 15-18 unless we have identified a trade target already for next season?

Or the Croft boys looking like they're going to be Jets?
He just seems very very protective of first round picks. His strategy is draft with your first rounder, be open to use other picks for trades.
 
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Looking at Sweets stats again from his games it’s not the worst reading - I might watch a couple back when I get a chance.

Will be 24 early next season and he’s already a huge unit. It’s literally all about getting that tank up this preseason, just ground coverage that’s all that needs to improve for him to be an adequate option IMO. My idea would be a pretty even 60/40 split with Timmy, Sweet aiming for around 80% game time each week with 20% forward. He can be a target down there he’s actually quite smart at VFL level, just bring the ball to ground and he’s a good kick usually. That should keep him fresh enough to cover the ground for his time in ruck. His clearance and tackle numbers are actually really good and he won’t get dominated in the hitouts by most ruckmen again it’s just about him getting to contests.

40/60 is perfect for Tim, we don’t want him sitting deep forward all game playing a key position post. He does his best work getting around the ground and then pushing deep hard to get a mismatch. Plus his work up the ground is elite for a tall utility. With Sweet taking the brunt of the ruck that should allow Timmy to chop out, especially later in games and be a real weapon with his height and skills when he gets going he hits some really nice hits to advantage but just gets bullied if asked to carry all the grunt work.

Both 24 so no excuses for either, it’s a good mix. Sweet with game time will really come into his own imo.

Still want another back up though.
 
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Why was there such an emphasis from Sammy P to keep our first rounder next year? Should be around 15-18 unless we have identified a trade target already for next season?

Or the Croft boys looking like they're going to be Jets?
As much as JUH and Darcy are no-brainers, it would kill any list manager to not have any flexibility with their first rounders two years in a row.
 
Why was there such an emphasis from Sammy P to keep our first rounder next year? Should be around 15-18 unless we have identified a trade target already for next season?

Or the Croft boys looking like they're going to be Jets?

I reckon its purely because it gives the recruiters the flexibility that they haven't had in the last two drafts due to the JUH and Darcy 1st round gifts.

Edit: Errrr. Or what Dannnnn said.
 
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People do love a bit of a melt by the fact that we didn't get C-grade rucks who probably wouldn't be any better than English either as a forward or in the ruck.

If we establish that English will start as our opening ruck for the season, it's more than fine. Sweet and Martin are both adequate backup providing x2 depth, and English is better in the ruck than people love to go on about (people love isolating the bad moments and completely ignoring the good games and positive value, like the fact he's proven he can win 20 touches through the ruck which not many can). He should also simply get better with age and another pre-season.

If anything, there's more concern without English and Bruce playing forward, whether Schache and JUH, who I presume now make the best 22 with English rucking, are consistent and solid enough to be our 2nd and 3rd key forward.

Maybe the fact that English kicked 0 goals total across the entire finals series have led us to believe his future lies back in the ruck and not in the forward line.

If anything people should be melting that our decisions are putting a lot of trust and faith in Schache (who half the board wanted to delist) and JUH to kick on, given they're getting games if English is rucking, rather than English himself, it's entirely fair to say that Ceglar would have competed with Schache for a forward/ruck role and given us more diversity in selection choices, rather than the fact that he's an better player than English and Schache (because he isn't). I certainly would have liked to recruit him.

And the thing is it was reported that we had interest, so it's not as if we didn't try. Maybe we just didn't want to tell him that we would guarantee him a game ahead of Schache or whoever, and then he lost interest in us.
 

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Quite a few of our players have 'clear deficiencies' along with their clear strengths. Have a look at Lewy's ruck stats.
Oliver Gigacz help :p

Here our ruck averages for the year...

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Here our ruck averages for the year...

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Interesting, It’s not bad reading for Sweet against Martin really, what does it look like for Martin if you take out round 12 when he was injured?

should maybe add Clearances and Tackles too as it’s probably an important stat for rucks!
 
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best to keep in mind with Sweet averages are out of whack as he played a game against a ruckless gold coast in a msall sample size to begin with. That average of 20 hitouts is a number he only reached once and it was in that game
I mean Grundy had 37 against Graham, Big O had 33. You can’t just completely write off Sweets game (31ho) because he was up against him, it was his debut game of AFL football after all and he only played 64% game time
 
I mean Grundy had 37 against Graham, Big O had 33. You can’t just completely write off Sweets game (31ho) because he was up against him, it was his debut game of AFL football after all and he only played 64% game time
Both those games had 2nd rucks ruck more (ie Cameron had 13 hitouts for Collingwood), in addition to the fact that Gold Coast eventually worked out as the season progressed that Burgess was a better ruck than Graham, because Graham was getting beaten by the Sweet types. Burgess actually rucked more than Graham and was marginally more competitive than the Big O types toward the end of the season.
 
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