Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Struggle]

JOD's 2 year contract has been officially announced.

Any idea if he's staying as a Cat B rookie? They're paid outside of the cap right?

 

[geoffjennings79]

Ok we can set ourselves up for real long time success.
Pick 11 and 17 2350 points for pick 4
Mckercher will slide to us.
Trade future 1st and 36 for 13 after someone bids on Croft
Take Wilson
Trade sweet to swans pick 31 grab Lual

Thoughts

If you're getting pick 31 for Sweet, Sam Power should be worried about his job.

 

[VitalDread]

Any idea if he's staying as a Cat B rookie? They're paid outside of the cap right?

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[VogonProsthetnic]

What a waste it would be if Croft is a potential McKay or Curnow, and we play him in defence.

Is Naughton really worth it as a forward?

 

[lachy]

What a waste it would be if Croft is a potential McKay or Curnow, and we play him in defence.

Is Naughton really worth it as a forward?

Will have a new coaching group to work that out if we get him

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[VogonProsthetnic]

Will have a new coaching group to work that out if we get him

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Imagine how good Naughton be by now he had been left as an intercepting defender. Think Darcy Moore/Alex Rance/ Jeremy Howe.

Time will tell, my opinion is that playing Naughton forward will be seen as one of the great wastes of talent ever. He hasn’t been taught forward craft and he came from a long way back. He leads backwards and flies against his teammates. Watch his game against Sam Taylor - he had no idea how to counter him.

Compare him to Jamarra, who has overtaken him already. Jamarra has been taught how lead and gets to better spots. Croft I’m guessing will develop similarly.

If Bevo plays Croft as a defender and Naughton as a forward he asking asking a lot of both.

 

[dogwatch]

Imagine how good Naughton be by now he had been left as an intercepting defender. Think Darcy Moore/Alex Rance/ Jeremy Howe.

Time will tell, my opinion is that playing Naughton forward will be seen as one of the great wastes of talent ever. He hasn’t been taught forward craft and he came from a long way back. He leads backwards and flies against his teammates. Watch his game against Sam Taylor - he had no idea how to counter him.

Compare him to Jamarra, who has overtaken him already. Jamarra has been taught how lead and gets to better spots. Croft I’m guessing will develop similarly.

If Bevo plays Croft as a defender and Naughton as a forward he asking asking a lot of both.

We might never know. But if we have a change of coach the role that Naughton is given will be fascinating to watch.

My view is we have to persist with him as a forward for now. However we all know of good examples of top KPFs making a successful move to defence later in their careers - Chris Grant is the one that always comes to mind first. So it's possible. Persuading Naughton that it's the right move will be the hardest part. He now believes he's a forward and has invested years of his career to become a consistent 40+ goal KPF. How do you convince him otherwise?

 

[VogonProsthetnic]

We might never know. But if we have a change of coach the role that Naughton is given will be fascinating to watch.

My view is we have to persist with him as a forward for now. However we all know of good examples of top KPFs making a successful move to defence later in their careers - Chris Grant is the one that always comes to mind first. So it's possible. Persuading Naughton that it's the right move will be the hardest part. He now believes he's a forward and has invested years of his career to become a consistent 40+ goal KPF. How do you convince him otherwise?

If he becomes our third choice key forward, that may convince him.

Indications are that Jamarra, Darcy and Croft all could be elite KPFs. Is he that good?

 

[cecil]

I think its a bit premature to suggest Jamarra has gone passed Naughton. He's tracking nicely but he's not a 45-50 goal a year forward yet.... it's also really counting our chickens to suggest Naughton could be our third best tall forward any time soon

 

[dogwatch]

If he becomes our third choice key forward, that may convince him.

Indications are that Jamarra, Darcy and Croft all could be elite KPFs. Is he that good?

If goals are the measure (and also GAs and pressure acts) he's still quite comfortably our best.

But Marra is fast catching up. Darcy however is not within a bull's roar, and Croft ... well he's not even on our list yet.

 

[dogwatch]

I think its a bit premature to suggest Jamarra has gone passed Naughton. He's tracking nicely but he's not a 45-50 goal a year forward yet.... it's also really counting our chickens to suggest Naughton could be our third best tall forward any time soon

Agree. I think Marra may overtake him at some point but he hasn't done so yet despite a few brilliant games.

Naughton needs dedicated time in the off season with a quality KPF coach (if we had one). With the right coaching he could be a fantastic KPF but he still has a lot of rough edges.

 

[doggy_dog]

Imagine how good Naughton be by now he had been left as an intercepting defender. Think Darcy Moore/Alex Rance/ Jeremy Howe.

Time will tell, my opinion is that playing Naughton forward will be seen as one of the great wastes of talent ever. He hasn’t been taught forward craft and he came from a long way back. He leads backwards and flies against his teammates. Watch his game against Sam Taylor - he had no idea how to counter him.

Compare him to Jamarra, who has overtaken him already. Jamarra has been taught how lead and gets to better spots. Croft I’m guessing will develop similarly.

If Bevo plays Croft as a defender and Naughton as a forward he asking asking a lot of both.

People in here have been losing their minds over Gardner/Keath/Bruce having to kick the ball from defence.

Clearly Naughton is a better overall player but disposal wise - not someone I want to have the ball on the last line

 

[mattwa]

People in here have been losing their minds over Gardner/Keath/Bruce having to kick the ball from defence.

Clearly Naughton is a better overall player but disposal wise - not someone I want to have the ball on the last line

I completely agree with this. His best position is CHF. He would kill all ball movement as a chb

 

[mattwa]

What's the latest on Henry? Seems half of big footy thinks hes going to them (saints, pies, hawks)

 

[Dog 36]

I completely agree with this. His best position is CHF. He would kill all ball movement as a chb

Naughton on the move at CHF going up to the wings etc is what I would like to see.

 

[Hobdog]

I think its a bit premature to suggest Jamarra has gone passed Naughton. He's tracking nicely but he's not a 45-50 goal a year forward yet.... it's also really counting our chickens to suggest Naughton could be our third best tall forward any time soon

I think it’s a case of JUH being trained as a forward from an early age, so leading patterns and forward craft are far more natural for him.


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[LittleG]

Naughton is a forward.

I use to think about putting him in our back half BUT he just isn’t suited to that position. His disposal by foot just isn’t good enough.
Sure he can intercept and contested mark better than most. He has for the last few years played forward and will have no idea about what to do in defence. Now the switch has been made, he must be kept forward.

In future we are going to have JOD at CHB until Busslinger is ready for true CHB and then he can move to FB. Busslinger will start as an intercept defender and become a CHB in time.

We do need another KPD/Intercept defender down back. Ideally we draft one this year, as there will be great options available to us. IF not, then we will need to rely on the JOD & Buss combo with an interceptor added at a later date.

The tall forward line up will start becoming more crowded with options in a few years but we are still better off keeping who we have and having competition drive them to be excellent. Then allow 1 or more to leave IF they want a huge pay day.

This year I see us taking a KPD and Croft with our earliest picks and next year look at multiple midfielders. Next year is a midfielder heavy draft and there will be few good options available at our picks.

 

[Mofra]

Imagine how good Naughton be by now he had been left as an intercepting defender. Think Darcy Moore/Alex Rance/ Jeremy Howe.

Time will tell, my opinion is that playing Naughton forward will be seen as one of the great wastes of talent ever. He hasn’t been taught forward craft and he came from a long way back. He leads backwards and flies against his teammates. Watch his game against Sam Taylor - he had no idea how to counter him.

Compare him to Jamarra, who has overtaken him already. Jamarra has been taught how lead and gets to better spots. Croft I’m guessing will develop similarly.

If Bevo plays Croft as a defender and Naughton as a forward he asking asking a lot of both.

Marra won't have overtaken Naughton until the opposition start putting their best defender on him.

Sam Taylor was sent to Naughton not Marra. That says it all about the pecking order.
It may happen soon but it hasn't happened yet.

 

[Mofra]

Naughton is a forward.

I use to think about putting him in our back half BUT he just isn’t suited to that position.
Sure he can intercept and contested mark better than most. He has for the last few years played forward and will have no idea about what to do in defence. Now the switch has been made, he must be kept forward.

In future we are going to have JOD at CHB until Busslinger is ready for true CHB and then he can move to FB. Busslinger will start as an intercept defender and become a CHB in time.

We do need another KPD/Intercept defender down back. Ideally we draft one this year, as there will be great options available to us. IF not, then we will need to rely on the JOD & Buss combo with an interceptor added at a later date.

The tall forward line up will start becoming more crowded with options in a few years but we are still better off keeping who we have and having competition drive them to be excellent. Then allow 1 or more to leave IF they want a huge pay day.

This year I see us taking a KPD and Croft with our earliest picks and next year look at multiple midfielders. Next year is a midfielder heavy draft and there will be few good options available at our picks.

I would, but we've all but flagged were targeting mids at the draft.
This draft seems light for mids and next year looks good for mids, but that's the signal.

I still really like Ollie Murphy as a KPD

 

[LittleG]

I would, but we've all but flagged were targeting mids at the draft.
This draft seems light for mids and next year looks good for mids, but that's the signal.

I still really like Ollie Murphy as a KPD

I prefer O’Sullivan to Murphy but would love either.
Lual is the other midfielder I like who should be available late in the first round.

 

[Mofra]

I prefer O’Sullivan to Murphy but would love either.
Lual is the other midfielder I like who should be available late in the first round.

O'Sullivan will go before him for sure, he's quality and more developed but may not last to us unless we trade way up.

I do wonder which picks we'll have left after potential trades for Liam Henry, a very late pick for Tomlinson (the two were likely to get whether we like it or not) and perhaps one mature small forward (I think we miss out on Lohmann and pick up another target)

 

[Bald]

Naughton playing forward has been necessary (and he’s been very good at it). I don’t know how necessary it is in 2024 onwards though.

 

[ummmbont]

What points are you matching Croft with?

Can go into next years deficit

We’d be using whatever we’ve got after McKercher to match Croft.

you can come back into the draft after someone matches .. this is our opportunity to gain on ballers to go with our A grade forwards

 

[doggy_dog]

In future we are going to have JOD at CHB until Busslinger is ready for true CHB and then he can move to FB. Busslinger will start as an intercept defender and become a CHB in time.

We do need another KPD/Intercept defender down back. Ideally we draft one this year, as there will be great options available to us. IF not, then we will need to rely on the JOD & Buss combo with an interceptor added at a later date.

The tall forward line up will start becoming more crowded with options in a few years but we are still better off keeping who we have and having competition drive them to be excellent. Then allow 1 or more to leave IF they want a huge pay day.

This year I see us taking a KPD and Croft with our earliest picks and next year look at multiple midfielders. Next year is a midfielder heavy draft and there will be few good options available at our picks.

It’s a shame about the age difference because a KPD trio of Jones / JOD / Buss would project really well if the young boys develop. A Jones type would be the ideal partner

 

[BarryMorgan]

I wouldn’t hate if we were a club sniffing around Dylan Stephens

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Dylan Stephens

Age

24

Ht

184cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.3

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.7

4star

CL

0.0

1star

D

10.3

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.7

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

10.3

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.7

4star

CL

0.0

1star

from the Swans.