Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 7 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[mattwa]

Get Bergman and get overs for Sanders? I can't see Sanders getting into our midfield if we get Butters in too...

 

[Mojorisin]

Get Bergman and get overs for Sanders? I can't see Sanders getting into our midfield if we get Butters in too...

No point working a Sanders exit into our strategy given it may or may not happen and if it were to happen it would be at the end of 2027 at the earliest.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

I know we have interest in Mitchell, Spargo is definitely not the one from the Dee's though. As to who is touring though I have no names.

Hustwaite? Can’t seem to crack a game.

 

[Philthy1]

I think there's a bit of revisionism there Phil.

I can't recall any "screams on here to trade Richards". Maybe a bit of casual speculation but my recollection is nearly everybody wanted to keep him, despite interest from Colliingwood among others.

Agree he was "played out of position" and I agree with the general principle you are implying, i.e. you don't become a regular midfielder until you are ready and a better fit than those currently in that role. That's where Sanders finds himself right now and it's what gave the mercurial Bailey Smith the shits. Ed's early years were as a HFF where he was handy but not spectacular. The move to HB made him. It propelled him into our top ten.

However I am not sure where this notion of "the plan all along was for him to become a midfielder" came from. You say yourself that it was less obvious that Richards would be a future midfielder. To most of us watching, including some who had for a whle been suggesting he had the skills and attributes to play in the midfield, and even a few who had been lamenting the sameness and predictably of our midfield group it seemed that Bevo was reluctant, maybe even resistant, to shift him there.

It only happened around the middle of last year (Round 10 I think) when Smith was out with a LTI and then Libba got injured. By then Richards was almost 25 and had played 110 games. That's an awfully long apprenticeship.

From that point on we only lost two H&A games plus of course the EF. Obviously that winning run was not all due to Richards but he was a big part of our mid-season revival.

So his elevation to the midfield was more serendipity than long term strategy as I see it.

Go back and search the threads, there were definitely people of the opinion that we should trade Richards. It might have been during the Covid period when he liked to kick long bombs into the forward line where the oppo defenders were then intercepting. Thankfully he has worked through that.

Yes, Richards played a lot of his junior career as a HB, but it is only once clubs get players in the door do they get a sense of where their ceiling might be and that they may be adaptable to other things (e.g. Naughton)

 

[Northernsoul74]

Hustwaite? Can’t seem to crack a game.

He’s very very slow.

 

[BigFloppa]

I reckon Sanders is looking at a midfield of Bont, Richards, Freijah, Rowell, Butters and Bergman and realising there's gonna be a bit of competition for spots in the centre bounce

 

[Doggy]

I reckon Sanders is looking at a midfield of Bont, Richards, Freijah, Rowell, Butters and Bergman and realising there's gonna be a bit of competition for spots in the centre bounce

Except we will be very low odds to get any of the last 3, let alone multiple

 

[Ash1337]

I reckon Sanders is looking at a midfield of Bont, Richards, Freijah, Rowell, Butters and Bergman and realising there's gonna be a bit of competition for spots in the centre bounce

Rowell looks set to sign on with gold coast.

 

[Mojorisin]

Rowell looks set to sign on with gold coast.

Likely signs for 2 years I'd say about 80% chance at this stage.

 

[Deadly Darcy]

Likely signs for 2 years I'd say about 80% chance at this stage.

Hope he does. I don’t want him going to those pricks in Geelong

 

[Cudi]

Cal Twomey mentioned today Butters won't be traded end of this year and the Port offer to him his even bigger than the recent Kosi Pickett contract.

 

[Doggy]

Cal Twomey mentioned today Butters won't be traded end of this year and the Port offer to him his even bigger than the recent Kosi Pickett contract.

Doesn't mean he wants to stay there

 

[FoochPackage]

If we were smart and had the honest convo with Sanders. We should offer him a 3 year extension on good coin and handshake agreement that we will trade him if he wants to go. Gives us leverage against Tassie as they will need to trade for him. With their surplus of picks we should come out well on top.

 

[Libbaaaa]

Cal Twomey mentioned today Butters won't be traded end of this year and the Port offer to him his even bigger than the recent Kosi Pickett contract.

Think he mentioned that it is his view you don't move him his year, which is easy for him to say but the longer he doesn't sign the biggest deal in AFL history the more the jungle drums will beat that he is gone.

It is very different to the Pickett deal, Melbourne blinked and paid massive overs, Butters has had this deal in front of him since the start of May.

 

[Mojorisin]

If we were smart and had the honest convo with Sanders. We should offer him a 3 year extension on good coin and handshake agreement that we will trade him if he wants to go. Gives us leverage against Tassie as they will need to trade for him. With their surplus of picks we should come out well on top.

If tassie are truly in his ear they'll want him OOC which makes them able to get him as a free agent. They wouldn't give anything but cash to sign him and we'd get a compensation pick (likely after our first rounder if the money spoken of is accurate).

 

[Doggies7]

If tassie are truly in his ear they'll want him OOC which makes them able to get him as a free agent. They wouldn't give anything but cash to sign him and we'd get a compensation pick (likely after our first rounder if the money spoken of is accurate).

They have said compensation for these "OOC free agents" will be different than usual compo to account for situations like this, so if it's a huge deal, seems we may get more than the standard free agency band 1 compo.

 

[Doggies7]

I hope we don't go after O'Halloran again this off-season. Has got a pretty good run with GWS and all their injuries this year, but hasn't really impressed when i've watched him. Seems to just be an ok footballer, not a great user and not sure what his best position is at AFL level. Money isn't an issue but would rather the additional list spot to go after a player at a position of need and more potential personally.

 

[Mojorisin]

They have said compensation for these "OOC free agents" will be different than usual compo to account for situations like this, so if it's a huge deal, seems we may get more than the standard free agency band 1 compo.

Likely similar to Ward and Scully but who knows at this point.

 

[BigFloppa]

D'Ambrosio and Chandler

 

[Mojorisin]

I hope we don't go after O'Halloran again this off-season. Has got a pretty good run with GWS and all their injuries this year, but hasn't really impressed when i've watched him. Seems to just be an ok footballer, not a great user and not sure what his best position is at AFL level. Money isn't an issue but would rather the additional list spot to go after a player at a position of need and more potential personally.

I personally haven't heard any indication that we are, like you I also hope we don't go again. Since our last attempt we now have Kennedy (performing a similar role to a much higher level) and Hynes (projecting to have a future in the same role).

 

[Bulldogs85]

 

[BrisDog]

Re Sanders boys.

Here is our chance to take Kane to the cleaners and pick up 3 first rounders, no plodders either.

 

[doggiesin08]

Go back and search the threads, there were definitely people of the opinion that we should trade Richards. It might have been during the Covid period when he liked to kick long bombs into the forward line where the oppo defenders were then intercepting. Thankfully he has worked through that.

Yes, Richards played a lot of his junior career as a HB, but it is only once clubs get players in the door do they get a sense of where their ceiling might be and that they may be adaptable to other things (e.g. Naughton)

I think most of those Richards trade proposals were in the context of getting Darcy Moore in return (Dogs giving extra picks), rather than wanting him out per se.

 

[Mofra]

So his elevation to the midfield was more serendipity than long term strategy as I see it.

He did spend a little bit of time in the midfield during pre-season 2024, but he was still back more often than not and damn near AA in that role the year before.

I don't think anyone would have predicted he'd overtake Bont (and Libba & Treloar) in the Champion Data rankings to be our best mid (and arguably, the best in the comp)

 

[Norm De Guerre]

He did spend a little bit of time in the midfield during pre-season 2024, but he was still back more often than not and damn near AA in that role the year before.

I don't think anyone would have predicted he'd overtake Bont (and Libba & Treloar) in the Champion Data rankings to be our best mid (and arguably, the best in the comp)

It seemed pretty apparent to me that he was a natural midfielder almost as soon as he arrived at the club. But like Smith he was stuck behind a logjam of gun mids so had to bide his time across hb. His time came when it was becoming obvious that we needed to put some speed into a midfield that was a little one paced and prone to getting slaughter on the outside. By sides like Melbourne.

Joel Freijah is following directly in his footsteps and on the same trajectory with a similar level of disposal efficiency.

These two will be the cornerstones of our midfield for a decade.

I think this is why we've invested so heavily in HBF in recent times.