Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 8 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[_Mike_]

Opposition supporters coming to troll , you have been warned

 

[VitalDread]

We’ve all been here, keyboard at the ready, waiting. I’m satisfied now, weekend well spent.

You may now rest
Your shift is over
o7

 

[Chops]

I would imagine purely as a Jones replacement for list build purposes and a break glass option for the 1s. Wouldn’t have been my ideal option but I’m not mad about it either.

Jones replacement? Why not just keep Jones then.
i think Frost is better than Gardner but Gardner is the break glass option.

 

[Dogsman16]

I’d be putting pick 14 on the table for Butts tomorrow morning. Sure it’s an overpay but that pick really lands at about pick 18-19 and Butts will offer more than any draftee for the next 3 years.

We owe it to Bont, Libba, Treloar and co to have a crack during the end of their careers.

 

[W W Biscuit]

Jamarra and Buku for Budarick. Imagine saying that 12 months ago!

Indeed. Or that we'd be haggling over a better second round pick for Buku whilst practically throwing JUH away for a late round junk pick. Footy is strange sometimes.

 

[The Inbetweener]

I’d be putting pick 14 on the table for Butts tomorrow morning. Sure it’s an overpay but that pick really lands at about pick 18-19 and Butts will offer more than any draftee for the next 3 years.

We owe it to Bont, Libba, Treloar and co to have a crack during the end of their careers.

Don’t disagree but with Butts I imagine it’s his manager telling him to hold off more than anything. Imagine the offers he’ll be getting next year when he’s an unrestricted free agent.

 

[Foxman98]

I’d be putting pick 14 on the table for Butts tomorrow morning. Sure it’s an overpay but that pick really lands at about pick 18-19 and Butts will offer more than any draftee for the next 3 years.

We owe it to Bont, Libba, Treloar and co to have a crack during the end of their careers.

Joel Freijah has made more impact in his first 2 years then any mediocre player we could’ve traded pick 45 for


This idea that draftees can’t make an instant impact isn’t true

 

[adogsfan5]

Wonder why we acquired that pick for Budarick if Jamarra was going the other way.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Butts will open up

Ahh we've got material for days

 

[Dogsman16]

Joel Freijah has made more impact in his first 2 years then any mediocre player we could’ve traded pick 45 for


This idea that draftees can’t make an instant impact isn’t true

Joel Freijah would go top 3 in his draft if it was redrafted right now.

I’d argue that it’s about a 5% chance that a draftee would have more impact on this team than Butts would have (over the next 2-3 years).

Time to get it done.

 

[Doggies7]

Said it a few times, but losing JUH, Jones and Buku means we need to trade in at least 2 KPPs imo, minimum 1, but we are pretty thin atm.

How do people rate the bargain bin mature KPP options that are floating around?

Derksen, Frost, McGovern, May, Cox etc?

I'm hoping we grab Derksen and either Frost or McGovern for cover down back or if say Darcy goes down again, maybe Lobb swings fwd and a McGovern comes in to cover down back. Derksen I think has a little fwd craft too.

 

[Struggle]

Surely we can get budarick for less than 37

Why does a player being out of contract only slice their value when it's our guy leaving. Coming off a pretty shit season too

 

[iambrilliant]

Surely we can get budarick for less than 37

Why does a player being out of contract only slice their value when it's our guy leaving. Coming off a pretty shit season too

I would’ve thought Jamarra for budarick would’ve been pretty straight forward

 

[4Seasons]

No problem — here’s what should be done differently, in concrete terms:

1. Actively pursue players who improve the best 22

Not just depth or “upside” types — players who would start immediately in key areas of need. That means going beyond “asking the question” and actually structuring deals that get completed.

2. Be willing to trade out to trade in

You don’t improve a list by guarding every mid-tier player. Other clubs create movement by moving pieces — we hold and hope. List spots and currency should be used, not protected.

3. Use salary cap space as leverage

If you want to compete with clubs who have more pull, you need to make offers that force decisions. That doesn’t mean reckless overs — it means being assertive instead of conservative.

4. Stop treating free agency as a waiting game

Waiting a year or two for players to “maybe” leave their clubs is not a strategy. If there’s intent to land someone, start putting pressure on well before the contract expiry.

5. Combine drafting with targeted mature additions

Drafting well is only one pillar. Every contending list uses both internal development and external recruitment. Development should complement trades — not replace them.

So if someone’s asking “what would you do differently?” — it’s simple:

Be proactive, not hopeful.
Initiate deals, don’t just monitor them.
Back your list build with meaningful additions, not depth placeholders.
And treat improvement as urgent, not optional.

That’s not rhetoric — that’s execution.

You need depth players and placeholders because there is a salary cap

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Surely we can get budarick for less than 37

37 and 33, for Budarick and 29 would make it a bit better.

 

[cecil]

37 and 33, for Budarick and 29 would make it a bit better.

I'm hoping for something like this too. If GC are moving on 6 and 7 for Petracca id have thought they also get mid range picks from Melbourne that could be in play too

 

[iambrilliant]

37 and 33, for Budarick and 29 would make it a bit better.

I wouldn’t be trading buku unless it’s upgrading our 33 to jsos compo

 

[DiamondDogs8]

Jones replacement? Why not just keep Jones then.
i think Frost is better than Gardner but Gardner is the break glass option.

I think it was more of mutual delisting, not in the team and not getting any younger - it’s on record that he wants to play on. Best outcome for both parties

 

[DueWest]

I wouldn't mind Frost as a 1-year stop gap.

I really like Ballard though and am surprised he hasn't been mentioned outside of we BF chatters

The more we stop gap the older Bont gets, we have an opportunity now so let’s not waste it with list cloggers

 

[Pencil case]

I’d argue that it’s about a 5% chance that a draftee would have more impact on this team than Butts would have (over the next 2-3 years).

I get we want a key defender but Butts is being hardcore overrated here, barely worth a second round pick.

 

[Pencil case]

37 and 33, for Budarick and 29 would make it a bit better.

Suns asked for 33 for Budarick, so I doubt they’d be giving up anything other than a straight swap for 37.

 

[Doggy]

Suns asked for 33 for Budarick, so I doubt they’d be giving up anything other than a straight swap for 37.

That would be a gross trade...

 

[DiamondDogs8]

The more we stop gap the older Bont gets, we have an opportunity now so let’s not waste it with list cloggers

Let’s not forget that we find ourselves in an interesting predicament with Butters. If we think we are in a position to facilitate trade next year after a bid match from Port, we will want to protect our future assets.

With the diluted market for key defenders and clubs not wanting picks in a weakened/compromised draft this year, it was a difficult position to begin with.

We had a swing at Wilkie which was fair enough, but giving away assets for players that may or may not be marginally better than what we already have doesn’t seem to make a heap of sense. This has been echoed by Regan and Power in interviews.

Frost is a player capable of playing back shoulder and won’t cost a cent in assets. Given the likely departures of Jamarra, Buku and Jones, key position depth for free isn’t the worst outcome - even just as a break glass or in the 2s.

 

[Northernsoul74]

That can’t be right as we enquired about him but the price was too high

Thats just a bigfooty assumption. No one knows what the price was and whether that’s why we didn’t pursue it.

 

[Doggy]

Let’s not forget that we find ourselves in an interesting predicament with Butters. If we think we are in a position to facilitate trade next year after a bid match from Port, we will want to protect our future assets.

With the diluted market for key defenders and clubs not wanting picks in a weakened/compromised draft this year, it was a difficult position to begin with.

We had a swing at Wilkie which was fair enough, but giving away assets for players that may or may not be marginally better than what we already have doesn’t seem to make a heap of sense. This has been echoed by Regan and Power in interviews.

Frost is a player capable of playing back shoulder and won’t cost a cent in assets. Given the likely departures of Jamarra, Buku and Jones, key position depth for free isn’t the worst outcome - even just as a break glass or in the 2s.

Imagine putting all eggs in the Butters basket and it failing.

You'd really want to make sure it was happening before holding fire on all other potentials to make us better

 

[Golden_6]

Budarick is a handy player but he’s a 3rd rounder value at absolute most.

Out of contract, significant injury history and played out of position.