Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 8 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[_Mike_]

Opposition supporters coming to troll , you have been warned

 

[Doggy]

All the 10 GC supporters have JUH in the team and winning a flag, and we are just giving him away. Seriously puke central.

 

[Dav1d]

Imagine putting all eggs in the Butters basket and it failing.

You'd really want to make sure it was happening before holding fire on all other potentials to make us better

Sam Walsh is also a F/A to next season but I’ve seen no one really talk about anyone pursuing him.

 

[Doggy]

Sam Walsh is also a F/A to next season but I’ve seen no one really talk about anyone pursuing him.

Saints will

 

[DiamondDogs8]

It’s a bold strategy Imagine putting all eggs in the Butters basket and it failing.

You'd really want to make sure it was happening before holding fire on all other potentials to make us better

I think the club has some optimism he picks us. Very out of character for Bont to speak about him directly if there wasn’t some smoke.

Regardless of Butters though, there aren’t any key defenders available I’m willing to part with a first for, for marginal improvement.

Fremantle and Brisbane (who I would consider strong defensive sides) conceded 5 and 15 points less than us across an entire season.

The real issues are our inability to stop teams kicking runs of goals and equally our inability to prevent repeat entries, which stem from further up the ground. 7/8 quarters was the difference between us missing finals and finishing in the top 4, not 7/8 games.

Granted, our defensive win % is poor, but when teams are afforded a paddock of space in transition we can’t expect our back 6 to perform miracles. Budarick will at least help in that regard by locking down on dangerous smalls.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Joel Freijah has made more impact in his first 2 years then any mediocre player we could’ve traded pick 45 for


This idea that draftees can’t make an instant impact isn’t true

But this idea that we can hang our hat on a literal one-in-a-generation event happening is even worse than what you're proposing.

There has not been a player as good in their first two years as a true teenager drafted as late or later than Freijah for at least 10 and maybe 20 years. Freijah was a bonus but you're essentially saying "well, we hit our 1 in 1000 shot, so we should treat it like it will happen again every year"

 

[Doggies7]

What’s the point getting someone slightly better than Gardner? I would do it only if we paid out Gardner

We need a few backup KPP options. If we start JOD, Buss and Lobb, one injury and Gardner is playing with no backups for him then (expecting Walker etc aren't ready yet). Need to have a few to cover for injuries at both ends like all teams do. Hawks this year had Serong, Frost and Blanck just as ready to play reserves.

 

[Ash1337]

Surely Buku will be part of the Curnow trade now.

 

[Dogsman16]

I get we want a key defender but Butts is being hardcore overrated here, barely worth a second round pick.

I’d rate Butts around pick 23-27 value.

He’s a pretty solid stopper and this draft isn’t a strong one.

He’s contracted and paying overs would be the only way to obtain him.

Would be happy to pay pick 14 for him. Which really will end up pick 18-20.

If we can get some steak knives along with it then that’s great.

Seniors players are wanting the club to push for immediate success. They were all in for selling the farm for Wilkie.

We seem to be losing a fair chunk of our first round picks before they hit their prime anyway.

 

[RedWhite&Blue]

Can guarantee the Dogs paid very little to JUH last year. The negotiation between Dogs and AFL regarding JUH saw the AFL take on payments this was to keep the Dogs from taking JUH and his management to court for breach of contract. It was settled that his money would still be shown under salary cap but the dogs wouldn't be held accountable for the money. AFL keen to keep it out of courts so that everything JUH was up to wouldn't be made public knowledge and bring the entire league into disrepute.

Every player is effectively paid by the AFL. When the clubs are given their annual portion of the TV rights dividends, that money pays the players wages.

 

[CDBulldog]

They want a shinny new toy,and will do anything to get it.

The toy is plastic and orange coloured. Will fit right in.

 

[MrChristo]

The real issues are our inability to stop teams kicking runs of goals and equally our inability to prevent repeat entries, which stem from further up the ground. 7/8 quarters was the difference between us missing finals and finishing in the top 4, not 7/8 games.

The thing that has gotten lost completely from the Freo game is that we kicked 4 goals in a half. None in Q2.

I haven't been able to find (brief look) the I50's for Q2, but I suspect both teams had relatively similar opportunities.

So naturally (?) the narrative has become, "Our defense is awful, we can't stop runs of goals"...
...when in this particular case kicking a goal ourselves would have stopped their run and halted momentum.
(They kicked a couple of crackers too as I recall).

Have we erred to much on the attacking side of things? Yeah, potentially, but got those of us who enjoy finding patterns, check out our record when we do/ don't kick a goal better than every 4 entries.

 

[Libbaaaa]

Sooo, we have Butters, Butts and Ballard, all free agents next year?
I hope Sammy Power is thinking what I'm thinking

All this Ballard talk but isn’t he contracted until 2029?

 

[Ash1337]

People seem to forget Butts was best 22 until injured. He's not a fringe defender.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Surely Buku will be part of the Curnow trade now.

We're getting Curnow? OK...

 

[Munnez]

Will still have the Buku pick to use in a trade up to avoid the potential Darcy bid. Maybe the Blues would be interested in Buku, 33 and 37 for 22 and 54. Take 14, 22 and then 54 (Darcy) to the draft.

It's speculated that 37 will go to Suns for Budarick

 

[Fossie 32]

The thing that has gotten lost completely from the Freo game is that we kicked 4 goals in a half. None in Q2.

I haven't been able to find (brief look) the I50's for Q2, but I suspect both teams had relatively similar opportunities.

So naturally (?) the narrative has become, "Our defense is awful, we can't stop runs of goals"...
...when in this particular case kicking a goal ourselves would have stopped their run and halted momentum.
(They kicked a couple of crackers too as I recall).

Have we erred to much on the attacking side of things? Yeah, potentially, but got those of us who enjoy finding patterns, check out our record when we do/ don't kick a goal better than every 4 entries.

Hah yes wasting Inside 50s seems to be more frequent than oppo runons though the ease with which we are scored against is a problem

 

[DiamondDogs8]

The thing that has gotten lost completely from the Freo game is that we kicked 4 goals in a half. None in Q2.

I haven't been able to find (brief look) the I50's for Q2, but I suspect both teams had relatively similar opportunities.

Inside 50s - Q2

Western Bulldogs: 7
Fremantle: 19

Score - Q2
Western Bulldogs: 0.3 3
Fremantle 7.2 44

As strong as our midfield is, we have been prone to these lapses in games for the last 5 years at least. Our game management with and without the footy is poor - hence why we never feel comfortable as supporters until we’re up by about 50, and probably why we lost so many close games this year.

The defenders themselves aren’t without blame, but to say it’s entirely a defensive issue would be ignoring the bigger picture.

In reality we never replaced Dunkley (certainly no one on the list can replicate the role he is currently playing at Brisbane), and don’t prioritise a defensive stopper in centre bounce situations.

Maybe it’s time Bevo ought to review the second half of the GF.

 

[MrChristo]

Inside 50s - Q2

Western Bulldogs: 7
Fremantle: 19

Score - Q2
Western Bulldogs: 0.3 3
Fremantle 7.2 44

As strong as our midfield is, we have been prone to these lapses in games for the last 5 years at least. Our game management with and without the footy is poor - hence why we never feel comfortable as supporters until we’re up by about 50, and probably why we lost so many close games this year.

The defenders themselves aren’t without blame, but to say it’s entirely a defensive issue would be ignoring the bigger picture.

In reality we never replaced Dunkley (certainly no one on the list can replicate the role he is currently playing at Brisbane), and don’t prioritise a defensive stopper in centre bounce situations.

Maybe it’s time Bevo ought to review the second half of the GF.

I definitely wouldn't have guessed those numbers. Thanks.

And agree.

 

[doggy heaven]

I definitely wouldn't have guessed those numbers. Thanks.

And agree.

thats on bevo and coaching staff

 

[Insert Username Here]

I’d rate Butts around pick 23-27 value.

He’s a pretty solid stopper and this draft isn’t a strong one.

He’s contracted and paying overs would be the only way to obtain him.

Would be happy to pay pick 14 for him. Which really will end up pick 18-20.

If we can get some steak knives along with it then that’s great.

Seniors players are wanting the club to push for immediate success. They were all in for selling the farm for Wilkie.

We seem to be losing a fair chunk of our first round picks before they hit their prime anyway.

Another hypothetical: what would the possibility be for trading on pick 22 recieved from Carlton in a Buku trade to Adelaide for Butts?

 

[DiamondDogs8]

Another hypothetical: what would the possibility be for trading on pick 22 recieved from Carlton in a Buku trade to Adelaide for Butts?

We’ll be lucky to get a pick in the 30s for Buku.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

People seem to forget Butts was best 22 until injured. He's not a fringe defender.

Its never as simple as the deal.

People also seem to forget that no matter how stupid a deal we offer. And Im pretty sure that some of those being put about fit comfortably into that category. Said player needs to agree to leaving the club he's currently contracted too. He also needs to agree to come to wherever the the two clubs making the deal see's him shipped off too. In Butts' case he only needs to play out the next season and given the dearth of KPD where this year Silvangni (pfffftttt!) looks to the best one to change clubs. Butts can wait and then cash in his winning ticket to any number of suitors.

These guys aren't chattel until the AFLPA allows them to become so.

 

[Sentinel]

We’ll be lucky to get a pick in the 30s for Buku.

Given contract status, surely we get more for Buku than we give up for Budarick?

 

[DiamondDogs8]

Carlton currently hold picks 54, 67 and 72. Unless they split 22 (they still need points to match a bid for Harry Dean) or we get involved in an unlikely Curnow trade to Geelong or Sydney, I can’t see where we get much of value.

 

[Munnez]

Carlton currently hold picks 54, 67 and 72. Unless they split 22 (they still need points to match a bid for Harry Dean) or we get involved in an unlikely Curnow trade to Geelong or Sydney, I can’t see where we get much of value.

Future pick or he stays and see's out his contract. No way we are taking a pick in the 50s or later.