Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 8 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[_Mike_]

Opposition supporters coming to troll , you have been warned

 

[Libbaaaa]

Butts?

Butt(er)s?

 

[Smiley Boy]

Gettable (Cal Twomey/Riley Beveridge)

• Wilkie hasn't outright rejected contract offer from us, Longer it plays out the more confident we are.
• We are favourites for Connor Budarick if he decides to leave Gold Coast
• We may trade Picks 10 & 28 to Gold Coast for Pick 6
• A bit of interest in Jordan Butts but a few things need to happen before we commit to him.

28 and Jamarra for 6 would be ideal

 

[Bulldogs85]

Butts?

He have little interest but Wilkie is the number one target

 

[Doggy]

Gettable (Cal Twomey/Riley Beveridge)

• Wilkie hasn't outright rejected contract offer from us, Longer it plays out the more confident we are.
• We are favourites for Connor Budarick if he decides to leave Gold Coast
• We may trade Picks 10 & 28 to Gold Coast for Pick 6
• A bit of interest in Jordan Butts but a few things need to happen before we commit to him.

That last point would be Wilkie falling over.

I wouldn't wait for that.

 

[Doggy]

He have little interest but Wilkie is the number one target

Silly. Should be going for both

 

[MaxiBont]

Silly. Should be going for both

I’m sure the list management team are all over it. I doubt we will be left empty handed.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

We probably were the front runners until Jacks dad offered 25% more than the closest offer for Jacks services.

EFA.

 

[DannyB4]

Suns clearly want a mature age key fwd. I reckon Jamarra is back up for Curnow.

Dimma doesn't rate Ben King at all. Wants to replace him.

 

[Bulldogs85]

JUH would need to stay away form the surfers paradise night clubs if he were to join the suns

 

[Mojorisin]

EFA.

Nah when they were talking about Jack, Stephen excused himself to the corner of the room, put his fingers in his ears and went " la la la la la".
Just like he did at Carlton when all his below average sons got drafted.

 

[RWnBluey]

Wilkie yet to be offered a better contract by the Saints, per Sam Edmund.

 

[dogwatch]

This will raise eyebrows but there's method to my madness and if it happens it will be the biggest shake up in the history of AFL trade week. In fact, it would eclipse Kevin Costner's heroics and brilliance in Draft Day.

The short version is we end up with Sniff back on our list for 2026 and beyond.

The long version is a lot more complex but essentially it involves Geelong being kicked out of the AFL for good and they can form a breakaway comp called the Geelong and Cotton On Football League.

A bit more involved but essentially we end up with Chris Scott as well as AFL HQ stripping Geelong of all their flags since 2007.

That is a cunning plan, Baldric.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Wilkie yet to be offered a better contract by the Saints, per Sam Edmund.

Wow saints really aren’t showing Wilkie any love

 

[Bald]

Wilkie yet to be offered a better contract by the Saints, per Sam Edmund.

To be honest, I don’t really see the need for St Kilda to budge on his contract. I get the argument about player harmony and fostering a good environment, but if I take the Bulldogs goggles off for a second — if you, your manager, and the club all agreed on a figure at the time, then that’s the deal. That’s should be the nature of contracts.

 

[Foxman98]

To be honest, I don’t really see the need for St Kilda to budge on his contract. I get the argument about player harmony and fostering a good environment, but if I take the Bulldogs goggles off for a second — if you, your manager, and the club all agreed on a figure at the time, then that’s the deal. That’s should be the nature of contracts.

If we brought in Paddy Dow on the same if not more money as Bont I would expect the club up his offer

 

[JohnnySteel]

Hope we are loading a healthy Freijah contract extension. Kid is about to explode.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Nah when they were talking about Jack, Stephen excused himself to the corner of the room, put his fingers in his ears and went " la la la la la".
Just like he did at Carlton when all his below average sons got drafted.

I find their telling of events to be as improbably stupid as they are amusing.

It's like they think that people believe that the list manager has no sway over list management decisions. Just because he's standing on the other side of the door. Behind 3 inches of timber veneer plausible deniability all the while yelling "Just get my son here. I dont care if it costs more than anybody else is willing to pay. Just do it!"

 

[RWnBluey]

Wow saints really aren’t showing Wilkie any love

This is how the conversation would’ve gone down between the Saints and Wilkie’s management

 

[MaxiBont]

To be honest, I don’t really see the need for St Kilda to budge on his contract. I get the argument about player harmony and fostering a good environment, but if I take the Bulldogs goggles off for a second — if you, your manager, and the club all agreed on a figure at the time, then that’s the deal. That’s should be the nature of contracts.

Wilkie probably signed that contract thinking that taking that it would help Saints land star players.

Instead they’re signing Silvagni for more and Aleer for similar.

 

[X_box_X]

That is a cunning plan, Baldric.

In this cunning plan, we even win the 2009 flag and play off in the 2008 Grand Final. We get flogged though but it holds us in good sted for the following year when we beat the Saints in the Grand Final with Shane McInerney looking on from the umpire bench as the emergency field umpire.

 

[Bulldogs85]

This is how the conversation would’ve gone down between the Saints and Wilkie’s management

That is a Great Movie one of my favourites

 

[stefoid]

To be honest, I don’t really see the need for St Kilda to budge on his contract. I get the argument about player harmony and fostering a good environment, but if I take the Bulldogs goggles off for a second — if you, your manager, and the club all agreed on a figure at the time, then that’s the deal. That’s should be the nature of contracts.

devils advocate - they have just brought in a couple of younger defenders and wilkie is at maximum trade value right now. The chances of him being involved in meaningful september action is low. If we are offering a decent 1st rounder for him, it must be a consideration.

 

[Bald]

Wilkie probably signed that contract thinking that taking that it would help Saints land star players.

Instead they’re signing Silvagni for more and Aleer for similar.

They're the risks you take if you undervalue yourself though.

From a list management point of view as well, why would you reduce your available offerings before knowing what else might still be coming in? I suspect they will offer money to their targets and then bump the already contracted players last. At least that's how I'd do it.

 

[dogwatch]

To be honest, I don’t really see the need for St Kilda to budge on his contract. I get the argument about player harmony and fostering a good environment, but if I take the Bulldogs goggles off for a second — if you, your manager, and the club all agreed on a figure at the time, then that’s the deal. That’s should be the nature of contracts.

I sort of agree.
When it’s the other way around (very often!) and a player is clearly not meeting performance levels commensurate with the size or duration of his contract you almost never see a player saying “I’m taking money on fraudulent pretences. Here, take some back.” (A salute to Tom Boyd here but different circumstances.) So that could be used as the yardstick for Wilkie too.

However, if the club is really committed to keeping the player you simply have to recognise you need to top up. Even if it’s only going part of the way to matching the competing offers. It’s party about money and partly about feeling valued. Gestures are important.

 

[MaxiBont]

They're the risks you take if you undervalue yourself though.

From a list management point of view as well, why would you reduce your available offerings before knowing what else might still be coming in? I suspect they will offer money to their targets and then bump the already contracted players last. At least that's how I'd do it.

I tend to agree with that, but I think this St Kilda situation is unique. They’ve signed Nas for 2 years and now are in a spending spree to try and compete in those years. They’re signing players on very inflated contracts.

I think it’s human nature to not feel great about somebody worse than you getting paid more. Wilkie may be fine with it but he hasn’t said no to us yet so that seems unlikely.

It’s an entirely foreseeable outcome that a club could offer Wilkie a contract like this after the JSOS deal.