Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 8 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[_Mike_]

Opposition supporters coming to troll , you have been warned

 

[TiAn_]

JOD is still only 22, coming late from another sport. I think he’s going to be a very good defender for a long time.

 

[lachy]

He was the best performing of our 3 talls and had kept Voss to no disposals in the first only 3 with the 1 goal in the 2nd and after he was subbed Voss kicked 2 and had 7 disposals Traecy had 11 and 2 on Lobb already whilst Amiss had 6 and 3 on JOD

So he was our leading intercept player as well as doing the best job defensively yet was playing so poor he had to be subbed?

Please provide me the proper stats then to show why he was so poor and the obvious choice to be subbed

This was whilst Buss was playing Voss/Amiss/Traecy all ended up with 3 goals

I like the part where the argument is him being subbed was evidence Bev beleived he was playing poorly and you and 13 others are wrong. Particularly when Bev himself said it was to get more run on the ground as we were being over run. I also like that yoy supposedly cherry picked statistics when they were simply statistics

 

[lachy]

She’s probably quicker then Collins/Weitering/Andrews then too

He does have a strange running gate yet when he has played AFL games hasn't looked out of place and certainly not burnt on a lead. Same as the VFL.

I am not sure he makes it, but he is a maybe that should be backed in for at least 1 or 2 seasons to build up his strength

 

[Munnez]

JOD is still only 22, coming late from another sport. I think he’s going to be a very good defender for a long time.

We have been spoiled with having Naughts come in and impact from Season 1. This is not at all usual for KPP especially those that aren't exceptionally athletically gifted.
Richmond's Dynasty backline took time from the time they were drafted to becoming the players they eventually were.

Some patience is going to be required but it just maybe worth the weight. We most certainly need a FB Anchor and hopefully Sammy will come through. I see signs with both JOD and Buss.
Buss impressed me in the VFL Grand Final, in the last quarter. When the pressure was at it's most intense he led out took the mark under defensive heat. Then had the mental composure to go back and calm himself and slot the goal under a lot of situational pressure.

That is something that can't be taught you either have it or you don't. If Buss makes it won't be because he is an athletic freak. It will be because of his ability to read the game. And be in the right spot at the right time ala Weitering. Think he just needs to live in the gym for the next 2-3 Off Seasons

 

[Mofra]

Every argument about Busslinger at least acknowledges the kid isn't ready yet.
With that in mind, we absolutely have to grab a mature body at the trade period.

There's perhaps 1-2 state league kids in the whole country who could help but even they would need a bit of time, even if we had the opportunity to grab them. The MSD has made that avenue a lot harder for us.

 

[Testekill]

Every argument about Busslinger at least acknowledges the kid isn't ready yet.
With that in mind, we absolutely have to grab a mature body at the trade period.

There's perhaps 1-2 state league kids in the whole country who could help but even they would need a bit of time, even if we had the opportunity to grab them. The MSD has made that avenue a lot harder for us.

It's why Walker in the MSD was a pretty savvy move by us. We basically took a third round pick a few months in advance and got to get him into the system early.

 

[Mofra]

It's why Walker in the MSD was a pretty savvy move by us. We basically took a third round pick a few months in advance and got to get him into the system early.

With Will Darcy as a FS we look good for developing talls. We need a stop gap for a couple of years though.

I was keen on Tylar Young but we're out of that race, and indications are we miss out on Wilkie and Butts. We need to look at other options.

 

[Mojorisin]

With Will Darcy as a FS we look good for developing talls. We need a stop gap for a couple of years though.

I was keen on Tylar Young but we're out of that race, and indications are we miss out on Wilkie and Butts. We need to look at other options.

Liam Jones looks ok, a delisted free agent so wouldn't cost anything.

 

[Hobdog]

All true and obviously great work. But how’d they go with Bailey Smith and the cats?

Not sure there’s much you can do when things play out the way they did with Smith.

 

[lachy]

One thing that has impressed me with Sam Power

Sam Power

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6.9

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4.2

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2.0

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7.8

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3.8

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has been how he treats this period like a game of chess and the opportunities this year for him are great.

Gold Coast have an earlish pick in pick 6 which will likely be lost to an Acadamy bid. Is it a shock that the JUH discussion is there. For pick 6 imstead of nothing they can get JUH. Not only that they can not have to pay him so they basically get a year for free to see if he is worth the risk and our pick 28 for points to use against a bid.

We now have pick 6 to go with our pick 10 and depending on our own F&S and NGA a first round pick in either 2026 or 2027 to have 3 first round picks on the table to trade this year.

 

[Pencil case]

Busslinger will be much better next year than anyone else we would bring in at this point, assuming Butts and Wilkie aren’t coming.

 

[lachy]

If we can get those 3 first round picks we can now offer Port Adelaide an additional first round pick to what they would get next season if they let him go into free agency. Keep in mind JUH's $800,000 will definitely be off our books by then so we can either put bid them or push them to offer more than they want.

So pick 6, 10 and the first in either 2026 or 2027 and we land Butters. Sets our mids up for quite a few years Bont, Richards and Butters. Libba and Ads as veterans with Freijah and Sanders developing over the next 2 seasons.

No reason we can't focus on a quality key defender, they are just very rare to prize out

 

[Munnez]

If we were to get hold of Pick 6 and add 10 to it, it would have to be more tempting than 3 mid round 1st's for Butters. Might be able to tempt Port to go earlier and start the rebuild with some highish picks.
Come on Butters nominate us and let Sammy go to work!!

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

JOD will be fine, he's just been thrust into an enormous role earlier than any Cat B KPP has any right to be through circumstance. He's a very smart player without clear athletic limitations who can play anywhere from deep defence to defensive wing and match up on smalls to talls. In KPD terms he's younger and more inexperienced than his role and age suggests.

Buss is further away and less clear, but I don't at all buy the too slow sentiment and honestly was surprised by the attitude towards his games this year. I think he's coming along fine.

The issue is just that on this year's form neither of them are in their prime like our other zones. They're tomorrow's key defenders, not today's. I'd love to have a B grade or better experienced KPD to slot in in the meantime.

 

[TiAn_]

One thing that has impressed me with Sam Power has been how he treats this period like a game of chess and the opportunities this year for him are great.

Gold Coast have an earlish pick in pick 6 which will likely be lost to an Acadamy bid. Is it a shock that the JUH discussion is there. For pick 6 imstead of nothing they can get JUH. Not only that they can not have to pay him so they basically get a year for free to see if he is worth the risk and our pick 28 for points to use against a bid.

We now have pick 6 to go with our pick 10 and depending on our own F&S and NGA a first round pick in either 2026 or 2027 to have 3 first round picks on the table to trade this year.

I would be amazed if that were the trade. Much more likely 10, 28 and Jamarra for 6. If we did that and got out of his entire salary it’d be a win.

 

[stevieg1969]

Hopefully we target Ballard in any JUH discussions with GC.

 

[adogsfan5]

Let’s not forget the hopeful improvement in our defensive structure to hopefully help our positioning of our defenders. This summer needs to be more defensive and less attacking.

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

Can’t say I like Bailey Smith but I could stomach having a couple of dickheads around if they’re talented enough to help us win a flag. And as much of a knob as he is, he turns up to training and keeps himself in shape to an obsessive degree. I get Geelongs approach - the social media stunts, the coke use, etc they don’t care about if he’s helping them contend for a flag, which he is.

Noting I also think he’s a massive ****wit for his interaction with the photographer recently.

It’s what makes me a bit apprehensive about punting Jamarra to another team when we’ve seen Dunkley and Smith, two elite players, move on to greener pastures. The two best teams in it recognised them as positive midfield contributors when we didn’t rate them as such. These are teams we’re (hopefully) aiming to topple, and we’ve made them much stronger while getting very little back. Those trades set us back and pushed them into contention. Which is also a whole other discussion about out of contract players requesting trades to dominant teams with no assets. Will sting a lot more if Jamarra pans out similarly.

Of course it has to be noted there is an enormous chasm between the habits of Dunkley, Smith and the guy who didn’t turn up to training all year.

But if we send Jamarra to a team that is already ahead of us or primed to overtake us, we kind of have to wear it as our choice to send a contracted player there. Just like we made choices around midfield priorities with Dunkley and Smith. Be interesting to see where he goes and what we’re willing to do just to get him off our list.

Can’t say I like Bailey Smith but I could stomach having a couple of dickheads around if they’re talented enough to help us win a flag. And as much of a knob as he is, he turns up to training and keeps himself in shape to an obsessive degree. I get Geelongs approach - the social media stunts, the coke use, etc they don’t care about if he’s helping them contend for a flag, which he is.

Noting I also think he’s a massive ****wit for his interaction with the photographer recently.

It’s what makes me a bit apprehensive about punting Jamarra to another team when we’ve seen Dunkley and Smith, two elite players, move on to greener pastures. The two best teams in it recognised them as positive midfield contributors when we didn’t rate them as such. These are teams we’re (hopefully) aiming to topple, and we’ve made them much stronger while getting very little back. Those trades set us back and pushed them into contention. Which is also a whole other discussion about out of contract players requesting trades to dominant teams with no assets. Will sting a lot more if Jamarra pans out similarly.

Of course it has to be noted there is an enormous chasm between the habits of Dunkley, Smith and the guy who didn’t turn up to training all year.

But if we send Jamarra to a team that is already ahead of us or primed to overtake us, we kind of have to wear it as our choice to send a contracted player there. Just like we made choices around midfield priorities with Dunkley and Smith. Be interesting to see where he goes and what we’re willing to do just to get him off our list.

I think Jordan Croft will be what we expected JUH to be but more aggression and a bit faster also and stamina.

 

[grassman75]

My Nan is quicker than buss

And yet she passed away in 2001….(just kidding, I’m sure Smileys Nan is just fine and should be featuring in the GF sprint)

 

[lachy]

I would be amazed if that were the trade. Much more likely 10, 28 and Jamarra for 6. If we did that and got out of his entire salary it’d be a win.

The issue with that is it does not work for either of us. Pick 10 would still go for an academy bid and his salary would push their salary cap.

For us salary this upcoming year is not an issue after our clear out last year with Macrae and Daniel. We also need 2 soild first round picks as a minimum to tempt Port

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Every argument about Busslinger at least acknowledges the kid isn't ready yet.
With that in mind, we absolutely have to grab a mature body at the trade period.

There's perhaps 1-2 state league kids in the whole country who could help but even they would need a bit of time, even if we had the opportunity to grab them. The MSD has made that avenue a lot harder for us.

Here's the thing though and in my view it's something thats keeps getting sidestepped in this discussion.

The likelihood of somebody who is currently coming to the end of their career like May or Frost. Or a state league player who hasn't already being identified and picked up through the MSD isn't really going to help us that much. With the former we'd be just as well off keeping Liam Jones on the playing list . Something that the club have rightly decided they don't want to do that. And with the latter given the tiny list of options, it'd be a big ask for that player to come in and fix the most glaring issue on the list.

The club clearly understand this. Its why as the season went on and each viable alternative dried up. They've been forced to go all in on trying to convince Callum Wilkie to do a heal turn during or immediately after the Saints B&F on Monday.

This discussion is starting to resemble the one around the virtues or otherwise of Brendan Crossley early this year.

Ryan Gardner.

 

[TiAn_]

The issue with that is it does not work for either of us. Pick 10 would still go for an academy bid and his salary would push their salary cap.

For us salary this upcoming year is not an issue after our clear out last year with Macrae and Daniel. We also need 2 soild first round picks as a minimum to tempt Port

The Suns are quite adept at trading their picks down multiple times to gather points. They did it after we traded with them for the Sanders pick.

 

[lachy]

The Suns are quite adept at trading their picks down multiple times to gather points. They did it after we traded with them for the Sanders pick.

True but they still don't want JUH's salary but want him without the salary so they can see if he commits.

It is his salary and salary alone that will get us anything more than a bag of chips

And to have any hope of trading in an A grader we need 2 reasonable first round picks. We don't bring in an A grader we are unlikely to improve all that much next year even with general player improvements

 

[Foxman98]

True but they still don't want JUH's salary but want him without the salary so they can see if he commits.

It is his salary and salary alone that will get us anything more than a bag of chips

And to have any hope of trading in an A grader we need 2 reasonable first round picks. We don't bring in an A grader we are unlikely to improve all that much next year even with general player improvements

Given they gave Geelong pick 7 to take Bowes salary could easily see them doing the same to get JUH with no salary for a year

 

[Hobdog]

If it’s going to be a rubbish draft pick coming our way for JUH we should be making them take on his salary. If he comes good and we have traded him for peanuts AND paid him a good salary to turn things around at another club I’ll be super annoyed.