Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 8 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[_Mike_]

Opposition supporters coming to troll , you have been warned

 

[Doggy]

Thats a pretty poor stance to take Doggy.
Whilst I agree the situation he put us in sucks, I would never take someone being stuck in an depressive/addicted state as a consolation prize.
He will never become the generational player he was capable of but if everything aligns perfectly may still eek out a career. Based on his history and that of similar in his situation though it seems unfortunate to me though that you will get your wish.

Personally I hope he isn’t lost to the game and can turn his life around (I don't think one happens without the other).

That is not what I meant.

I for one think he will turn it around if you read my responses above, and I hope he does.

I then am fairly confident the media will pile on the dogs for giving him away and GC being able to turn him around

 

[Mojorisin]

That is not what I meant.

I for one think he will turn it around if you read my responses above, and I hope he does.

I then am fairly confident the media will pile on the dogs for giving him away and GC being able to turn him around

I apologise for misreading your messages, to me it came across as the opposite and unfortunately thats a view I've heard from many dogs supporters in the real world.
I agree there will be a media pile on and that is just what they do because thats all journalists in this country are capable of. I think the pile on come regardless though, the only way we can silence it and reduce it to background noise is to have onfield success.

 

[Doggy]

I apologise for misreading your messages, to me it came across as the opposite and unfortunately thats a view I've heard from many dogs supporters in the real world.
I agree there will be a media pile on and that is just what they do because thats all journalists in this country are capable of. I think the pile on come regardless though, the only way we can silence it and reduce it to background noise is to have onfield success.

It would be despicable to hope that anyone would continue to be in a depressing and spiralling state. I wouldn't even wish that on Sniff.

I probably would prefer he doesn't get anywhere near his ability because that just means we got absolutely rogered. But I 100% want him to get better as a person.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Bikie city is overplayed.

Have you lived in Queensland? Because I am from Queensland and GC is not just Surfers Paradise amazingly.

I lived in Southport great place the Gold Coast and Coolum is also a beautiful place to live. Also lived in Mount Isa also loved that place funny enough

 

[VitalDread]

Tom Morris: Expect Pick 70 or 74 for Marra

 

[adogsfan5]

When’s Jack Payne requesting a trade to us?

 

[Doggy]

Tom Morris: Expect Pick 70 or 74 for Marra

We already have 70?

 

[BulldogMuscle]

Tom Morris: Expect Pick 70 or 74 for Marra

 

[Mojorisin]

Tom Morris: Expect Pick 70 or 74 for Marra

He is officially following me on Bigfooty

 

[_Cerberus_]

Tom Morris: Expect Pick 70 or 74 for Marra

That's such BS if true. I understand we are keen to move him on, and that he has lost a lot of value. But to get a pick that has no points value to package up, and one that we will not use (I think we will only take two picks this draft). We will be very much giving him away for free, after spending all that draft capital to get him in the first place. Would like to see us get SOMETHING of value back, even if its just a third round pick or a pick upgrade.

 

[Bulldog Brent]

That's such BS if true. I understand we are keen to move him on, and that he has lost a lot of value. But to get a pick that has no points value to package up, and one that we will not use (I think we will only take two picks this draft). We will be very much giving him away for free, after spending all that draft capital to get him in the first place. Would like to see us get SOMETHING of value back, even if its just a third round pick or a pick upgrade.

I think the real value is us getting $900K off the books next year.

We will surely frontload multiple contracts, ready for an all-out assault next off season.

 

[Golden_6]

That's such BS if true. I understand we are keen to move him on, and that he has lost a lot of value. But to get a pick that has no points value to package up, and one that we will not use (I think we will only take two picks this draft). We will be very much giving him away for free, after spending all that draft capital to get him in the first place. Would like to see us get SOMETHING of value back, even if its just a third round pick or a pick upgrade.

Why do you think we deserve anything? Jamarra has ZERO value around the league.

There is only one club willing to give him a chance and it's on a one + one year deal that relies heavily on incentives. The guy is lucky to be on an AFL list next year.

 

[TheSportingEyes]

I think the real value is us getting $900K off the books next year.

We will surely frontload multiple contracts, ready for an all-out assault next off season.

We are becoming the Western "next year" Bulldogs in front of my eyes. This is getting painful.

 

[Mutt]

Why do you think we deserve anything? Jamarra has ZERO value around the league.

There is only one club willing to give him a chance and it's on a one + one year deal that relies heavily on incentives. The guy is lucky to be on an AFL list next year.

The other option is that he would still be on OUR books. Whatever we get back for JUH is cream, given we will have ~$900k extra next season in our cap. The likely Suns outcome is much better than I was expecting, regardless of what draft pick comes our way.

JUH could still be on our books if the deal falls over.

 

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[Golden_6]

The other option is that he would still be on OUR books. Whatever we get back for JUH is cream, given we will have ~$900k extra next season in our cap. The likely Suns outcome is much better than I was expecting, regardless of what draft pick comes our way.

JUH could still be on our books if the deal falls over.

Are we sure he won't be on the books? I just can't see a world where Jamarra tears up his existing $900k owed and accepts the paltry $200k from Gold Coast.

The only way he would is that the other option would be a guaranteed termination by the Bulldogs if the deal didn't go through.

 

[Philthy1]

The Carlton nuffies bringing up Kennedy last year as to why the should get Buku cheap boggles my mind. Do they not understand the difference between a guy they pushed out and told to go and find other opportunities, compared to a contracted player that we want to keep (and one we have developed for years from our own NGA).

I dont care if you "dont even really rate him". Your club decided to pursue a contracted player, that has played plenty of games for us over the past two years. The onus is on you to offer something decent to allow him to leave, a future 3 is a joke and what we would get if he were OOC, big difference. We aren't asking for a 1st rounder or anything unreasonable, meet the asking price if you want to try poach contracted, required players.

If you want to be outraged about something, can I suggest JUH going out for pick 70 might be the elephant in the room?

 

[Hoges64]

That's such BS if true. I understand we are keen to move him on, and that he has lost a lot of value. But to get a pick that has no points value to package up, and one that we will not use (I think we will only take two picks this draft). We will be very much giving him away for free, after spending all that draft capital to get him in the first place. Would like to see us get SOMETHING of value back, even if its just a third round pick or a pick upgrade.

Interesting that when the news first broke early / mid-year that he was basically done for the year and it was becoming apparent he wouldn't be playing for us ever again, the public wave of "Geez, the Dogs have been a bit screwed here, he's basically violated his contract, etc they should get some form of compensation" was in FULL swing.

Now when the time actually matters and the AFL hands out compensation picks like Elon Musk hands out Nazi salutes there's crickets and we need to just be grateful that we get his contract off the books?

I don't necessarily agree that GC should be giving us something, but surely an end of 2nd round compo pick, or an exception to the salary cap or something is fair recompense for the money and draft capitol we've laid out for a bloke who HAS violated his contract.

Bet your **** if this was one of the big clubs they and the public would be screaming for it, or it would have already been gifted by this corrupt league.

 

[BWFC]

And this is why I don’t wish him all the best and I hope he doesn’t turn it around. He took a huge pay packet this year and didn’t do his job and he’s prepared to take our members hard earned money next year because he thinks he’s entitled to it.

Absolute grifter.

Are we sure he won't be on the books? I just can't see a world where Jamarra tears up his existing $900k owed and accepts the paltry $200k from Gold Coast.

 

[_Cerberus_]

Interesting that when the news first broke early / mid-year that he was basically done for the year and it was becoming apparent he wouldn't be playing for us ever again, the public wave of "Geez, the Dogs have been a bit screwed here, he's basically violated his contract, etc they should get some form of compensation" was in FULL swing.

Now when the time actually matters and the AFL hands out compensation picks like Elon Musk hands out Nazi salutes there's crickets and we need to just be grateful that we get his contract off the books?

I don't necessarily agree that GC should be giving us something, but surely an end of 2nd round compo pick, or an exception to the salary cap or something is fair recompense for the money and draft capitol we've laid out for a bloke who HAS violated his contract.

Bet your **** if this was one of the big clubs they and the public would be screaming for it, or it would have already been gifted by this corrupt league.

Exactly on the last point. If he was a Sun, and we were going after him. The AFL would be handing out some kind of compensation pick for their northern darlings. But as usual being the small club, we are told to suck it up and accept it.

 

[BulldogMuscle]

Devils advocate. What are the option’s?
1. Keep him on the list, he returns to training and builds some value in the VFL (maybe even AFL), and still gets traded next year with his 900k off the books and potentially more value and options at the trade table. Downside is potential playing group / coach cohesion.

2. Keep him on the list, he doesn’t train, is a distraction and we waste 900k on someone not showing up.

3. We trade him now for pick 74 and remove that 900k that we either front load another contract with etc, we move the 50/50 risk off to a competitor and a contender and potentially make them stronger in the process.

4. Keep him on our list, he doesn’t show up and the Dogs chose to fight the AFL/AFLPA in attempting to rip up his contract.

I know what option I’d go with but as it stands that’s what we’ve got.

 

[VitalDread]

Buku deal expected to go down to the wire- Reily Bev

 

[_Cerberus_]

Buku deal expected to go down to the wire- Reily Bev

I reckon he stays. Cannot see Carlton having a way to land an appropriate pick for him. Unless Sydney throws in something as part of the Curnow deal, like Geelong did when it came to the Smith deal and helping us get Kennedy. Hope we don't fold and accept a future third for him.

 

[Bald]

Devils advocate. What are the option’s?
1. Keep him on the list, he returns to training and builds some value in the VFL (maybe even AFL), and still gets traded next year with his 900k off the books and potentially more value and options at the trade table. Downside is potential playing group / coach cohesion.

2. Keep him on the list, he doesn’t train, is a distraction and we waste 900k on someone not showing up.

3. We trade him now for pick 74 and remove that 900k that we either front load another contract with etc, we move the 50/50 risk off to a competitor and a contender and potentially make them stronger in the process.

4. Keep him on our list, he doesn’t show up and the Dogs chose to fight the AFL/AFLPA in attempting to rip up his contract.

I know what option I’d go with but as it stands that’s what we’ve got.

I don't think keeping him on the list is a good idea at all, not just from a list point of view but from a player welfare point of view. We're doing the best thing by him despite us clearly taking a big hit by doing so, hopefully we get some good karma. Maybe his younger brother won't be such a distraction, though I don't know if the club will want to go down that path again.

From the clubs point of view, clearly Jamarra at his best is the best case scenario but the distractions aren't going anywhere. The club and the AFL have tried everything and moving him thousands of kilometers away appears to be the only option (though I suspect the trouble will possibly find him there, as well).

I do wonder if we were given the option to rework his contract ala Gold Coast to keep him. I doubt it.

 

[dergert]

Good re. buku. Would rather him stay on the list