Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 8 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[_Mike_]

Opposition supporters coming to troll , you have been warned

 

[Foxman98]

He recently signed a one year extension.

Well that sucks he’s the perfect option for us

 

[Foxman98]

I thought the same after 2016.

In order to be the best, you have to beat the best.
When we have a game plan and the players to execute, to engineer wins against the top 4 in big games, then I'll be a believer like yourself.

Our 2016 was heavily flawed and had massive holes as well as numerous players retire or request trades due to family issues

 

[Mofra]

Side note, the poor mods have some work to do in the morning with this idiot commenting on all the old posts from 25 years ago !

My insomnia fixed that

 

[Doggies_13]

Having not looked on this thread yesterday, that was a massive task to get through.

Good riddance JUH.

Glad we stood firm on the price for Buku and kept him.

I don’t think our issue is how we go in the trade period, I think it’s that we don’t put in the ground work, identify gaps and pursue the right people early enough.

After the finals series last year and Jones pre-season issues it should have been identified we need a key back with experience. That is 10 plus months to identify not just one but plan A, B and C. It wasn’t until mid year that Silvanji popped up and it was post season Wilkie became a target.

It seems like we are happy to wait till the end of the season to sounded people out or make a play.

We need to be more ruthless and we need to be looking more than a season ahead with our list and team. If we don’t have a developing player on our list ready to take the reins of a position then we need to be looking for the replacement 12 months out at least

 

[grassman75]

What you don’t think we’ve been looking ahead at Butters?

I’m sure Wilkie wasn’t just a last minute thing

 

[adogsfan5]

What you don’t think we’ve been looking ahead at Butters?

I’m sure Wilkie wasn’t just a last minute thing

We are definetly gearing up for Butters

Wilkie would have been looked at middle of the year I reckon.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Oh well our future picks are intact, we will continue to develop our bumper crop of players from last years draft, and we have a Doc replacement.

The game plan needs to change, to support the defence more, and we hopefully get a Treloar and Flea back playing next year.

Onwards and upwards.

 

[Northernsoul74]

I wonder how close to the 95% cap we are. Feels like we’ve shifted a lot the past few years.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Feels like the trade period as a whole has been healthy for the competition. Contracted players not getting to where they want can only be a good thing. Ah Chee heading to the PSD is another very healthy twist and will add some more weight to this threat in future.

 

[BEaston]

So those supporters who praised Geelong and Hawthorn, they did as well as us, Geelong got a free agent, and were turned down by the Saints and Hawks couldn’t clinch the deal.

We couldn’t clinch a deal for Wilkie because none of our players wanted to go there, and the Saints overpaid for Silvagni.

Actually Hawks lost quite a few players.

People forget it's a zero sum game and sometimes small moves can still move you up, relatively.

 

[Libbaaaa]

Feels like the trade period as a whole has been healthy for the competition. Contracted players not getting to where they want can only be a good thing. Ah Chee heading to the PSD is another very healthy twist and will add some more weight to this threat in future.

Makes the Eagles/Brissy dealings over Starcevich all the more suspect when the Eagles could have just said from day 1 we are taking him the PSD.

 

[BEaston]

Love how we didn't address our biggest need in this trade period in the form of a key back. David King just went off on the club on Foxfooty and fair enough. Anyway there is always next year and the year after that apparently. Flat.

A defensive mid was actually our biggest need.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Feels like the trade period as a whole has been healthy for the competition. Contracted players not getting to where they want can only be a good thing. Ah Chee heading to the PSD is another very healthy twist and will add some more weight to this threat in future.

Also hopefully it's burst the tyres of some slimy scummy and petulant player managers who think they own the joint and run around chests puffed out demanding whatever they want.

 

[Optimistic Dog]

I still we are chance to play finals next season. However, all teams are playing for second. I cannot anyone beating the lions they had a heap injuries played 2 banged up players in Neale and Dunkley in the GF and still won in a canter. Plus they have improved their list with Draper and Allen. It is a joke when you win 2 flags in a row and still be allowed one of the best kids in the country under the academy rules.

 

[BEaston]

Also I like that clubs are finally pushing back on contracted players' requests to leave.

In the past they've been bent over to just accept whatever crap deal came back their way. I like this trend now of holding on to players under contract, it will force teams to actually give fair deals. Props to Sydney for actually doing this and ponying up for Curnow.

 

[BEaston]

I’d say about 8-10 clubs did really poorly this trade period.

Quite Clearly we are one of them.

Geelong probably the worst. Just got far too greedy and ended up with nothing.
Hawthorn also had a stinker as well.

I don't think we did poorly. If you accept that JUH was never going to play for us again (he wasn't), then we've come out of the trade period ahead with the addition of Buderick.

 

[Mofra]

I wonder how close to the 95% cap we are. Feels like we’ve shifted a lot the past few years.

If we had cash for Barrass / Wilkie and now Marra has walked, we should certainly have plenty of wiggle room.

 

[lachy]

I still we are chance to play finals next season. However, all teams are playing for second. I cannot anyone beating the lions they had a heap injuries played 2 banged up players in Neale and Dunkley in the GF and still won in a canter. Plus they have improved their list with Draper and Allen. It is a joke when you win 2 flags in a row and still be allowed one of the best kids in the country under the academy rules.

There was only one massive winner in the Trade Period and that was GCS who will be Brisbane's rival. To be able to give away quality trade picks to get Petracca in knowing they will still land 2 top 5 picks via their academy shows where the real flaws in the system are. Brisbane didn't improve their team unless the Oscar Allen of 4 seasons ago re emerges.

The northern states clubs have significant advantages with their academies as it allows them to use draft picks other clubs cannot knowing they will have direct access to similar quality players, hence why the Swans were able to satisfy Carlton for Curnow.

The good news for us is other than Gold Coast none of the other top 8 clubs significantly improved. The challenge for us is to improve via all other mechanisms to first catch up then go ahead of the other top 8 clubs inclusive of the Queensland teams

 

[The Inbetweener]

I don't think we did poorly. If you accept that JUH was never going to play for us again (he wasn't), then we've come out of the trade period ahead with the addition of Buderick.

Got Budarick almost for free too. Simply moved back 2 spots in the draft.

 

[Shacf501]

Well, except for the whole JUH that trade period seemed very non eventful. It hurts me to see Carlton get 3 first rounders for Curnow at 30 years of age, when we basically, except for money savings get nothing for JUH.

What is hurtful, over the last few years we seem to have got under for our players. Dunks, Smith and JUH.

I know two of those had behavioural issues but why was this not picked up early in their careers and dealt with appropriately by the club in the early stages of development. Did we just turn a blind eye or do we not have the people within the club to work with and sort issues out early?

3 incredibly gifted players for varies reasons we have now lost and got unders for.

Does our club not have any foresight in terms of players possibly moving? This is what worries me about the whole sanders situation, whether we think he will turn out any good or not there is a strong possibility we could be losing another first rounder. Losing these players, especially in their given age brackets and pretty much getting nothing in return is hurting our depth badly.

I think the recruiting team and club need to answer a few questions from supporters which will never happen obviously.

Surely blind Freddy could have seen Jamarra and Smith showed some traits of misbehaving, it should have been dealt with quickly by the club early on and not allowed to linger. Jamara should never have got to the stage he got too!

 

[Libbaaaa]

Also I like that clubs are finally pushing back on contracted players' requests to leave.

In the past they've been bent over to just accept whatever crap deal came back their way. I like this trend now of holding on to players under contract, it will force teams to actually give fair deals. Props to Sydney for actually doing this and ponying up for Curnow.

Curnow at least did it in a way where he gave the Blues options, was happy to go to the Suns/Swans or Cats.

 

[Dogs Rule]

I still we are chance to play finals next season. However, all teams are playing for second. I cannot anyone beating the lions they had a heap injuries played 2 banged up players in Neale and Dunkley in the GF and still won in a canter. Plus they have improved their list with Draper and Allen. It is a joke when you win 2 flags in a row and still be allowed one of the best kids in the country under the academy rules.

It's a joke when you can engage in free agency after winning back to back flags, then get all their academy kids.

About time the Victorian clubs pushed back.

 

[Bald]

When you have a poor and compromised draft it filters to the trade period.

Draft picks this year become less desirable - meaning teams can't get rid of them, and because of that, draft picks next year and beyond become infinitely more desirable, meaning teams don't want to trade them.

It's not a huge shock and maybe this is a hindsight call, that we had quite a lot of examples of players requesting trades that ultimately didn't happen.

One of the bigger issues are the teams that lost free agents imo. TDK and Oscar Allen

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Oscar Allen

Age

26

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

netted their teams with decent compensation but Worpel and Silvagni leaving for speculative picks in a very ordinary draft is just a failure, regardless of how you spin it. Ah Chee leaving Brisbane for the PSD would also be viewed as a shambles if it happened to any other club but because Brisbane are filled to the brim with talent and are back to back premiers it's not so bad.

With that in mind, us not losing any best 22 players, gaining a best 22 player and retaining a depth player whilst having a first and second round pick this year isn't the worst result. Our KPD department is a concern but when the best options are Steven May

1

Steven May

Age

33

Ht

193cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

10.5

4star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

307.3

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

12.1

5star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

0.5

1star

MG

378.4

5star

D

12.4

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

who failed a medical at the retirement club in Collingwood, or players you couldn't pick out in a line up, then what are you going to do, we had a crack.

 

[Sentinel]

Ah Chee leaving Brisbane for the PSD would also be viewed as a shambles if it happened to any other club but because Brisbane are filled to the brim with talent and are back to back premiers it's not so bad.

I rate this. In Adelaide's situation it's obvously a risk though that he doesn't get through, and that would also be a good thing.

Whilst the PSD exists I don't know why it's not used more by clubs - no reason why West Coast couldn't have done it to Brisbane with Starcevich, rather than downgrading picks for him. Other than 'being nice' and in doing so propping up a rival is also the reigning premier.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Well, except for the whole JUH that trade period seemed very non eventful. It hurts me to see Carlton get 3 first rounders for Curnow at 30 years of age, when we basically, except for money savings get nothing for JUH.

What is hurtful, over the last few years we seem to have got under for our players. Dunks, Smith and JUH.

I know two of those had behavioural issues but why was this not picked up early in their careers and dealt with appropriately by the club in the early stages of development. Did we just turn a blind eye or do we not have the people within the club to work with and sort issues out early?

3 incredibly gifted players for varies reasons we have now lost and got unders for.

Does our club not have any foresight in terms of players possibly moving? This is what worries me about the whole sanders situation, whether we think he will turn out any good or not there is a strong possibility we could be losing another first rounder. Losing these players, especially in their given age brackets and pretty much getting nothing in return is hurting our depth badly.

I think the recruiting team and club need to answer a few questions from supporters which will never happen obviously.

Surely blind Freddy could have seen Jamarra and Smith showed some traits of misbehaving, it should have been dealt with quickly by the club early on and not allowed to linger. Jamara should never have got to the stage he got too!

Keep in mind though that Sydney see Curnow as the Coleman Medalist, they see the marketability and they think he's the next Lockett or Franklin (which he isn't).

But the point is in their eyes his value was huge, Ugle Hagan has absolutely trashed his value, he's seen as unreliable, unruly, off the rails and a massive risk. One club was interested and it has more strings attached to it than Pinocchio.

Ideally we should've sent him packing at the end of 2024 but how were we to know? In the end the club bent over backwards and I'm all for the club strengthening the official or unofficial no DH policy in future.