Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 8 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[_Mike_]

Opposition supporters coming to troll , you have been warned

 

[Dogs Rule]

The Korn was talking about Butters this morning with Mark Bickley

Mark Bickley

Age

56

Ht

178cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.4

5star

K

11.7

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

21.2

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

3.8

5star

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Mentioned Collingwood not having the capital, the Hawks, couldn't bring himself to mention us of course.

If it happens in 12 months, it'll be as delicious as the 2021 PF when he almost cried on TV such was the shock.

 

[Mofra]

I agree it isn't likely to change but just another case of a kid expecting to coast on talent alone.

We certainly know all about that after this year...

 

[MaxiBont]

The Korn was talking about Butters this morning with Mark Bickley.

Mentioned Collingwood not having the capital, the Hawks, couldn't bring himself to mention us of course.

If it happens in 12 months, it'll be as delicious as the 2021 PF when he almost cried on TV such was the shock.

He’s mentioned as a few times as team that’ll go hard for him.

Kane knows what he’s doing though, mentioning the Pies and the Hawks will always get more engagement than us.

 

[flipper83]

AFL still waiting to confirm Dougie status for port NGA

Most signs are saying he will be listed so they would need pick 2 or 3 level of points

If the AFL don't change free agency compensation and port finish with say pick 6, we could come to some sort of arrangement where port doesn't match and gets pick 6. Then separately we trade our next 3 first rounders and second rounders and get them as many points as we can to trade them for pick 6.
Got to find some way to get the free agency system working for us

 

[scratchie]

Who's next year's first round draftee we have to trade out in 2026?

 

[VitalDread]

Who's next year's first round draftee we have to trade out in 2026?

Sanders to Tassie gets us Butters

 

[JTCWBFC]

If we’re pretty certain on butters and it’s a longer term strategy we should have traded sanders to get a key defender now and give them time in our system

 

[Foxman98]

Who's next year's first round draftee we have to trade out in 2026?

In the past decade or s we have traded out 4 Smith/JUH/Stringer/Griffen former first rounders and brought in 4 Boyd/Schache/Coffield/Treloar* would've been if wasn't preselection

Not really that bad now is it

 

[Mofra]

If we’re pretty certain on butters and it’s a longer term strategy we should have traded sanders to get a key defender now and give them time in our system

Busslinger - JoD - Walker and Will Darcy.

Why would we trade out Sanders for another one?

 

[pappy]

Sanders to Tassie gets us Butters

100% that is what's going to happen. We had to keep Sandars this year for that to happen, that's why we wouldnt give him up this year. Tassie compensation which we will trade to Port Adelaide.

 

[bobs head soup]

In the past decade or s we have traded out 4 Smith/JUH/Stringer/Griffen former first rounders and brought in 4 Boyd/Schache/Coffield/Treloar* would've been if wasn't preselection

Not really that bad now is it

Matt Kennedy was originally a 1st round pick too (GWS pick 13).

 

[Foxman98]

Matt Kennedy was originally a 1st round pick too (GWS pick 13).

Then we are in the positive!

 

[Bulldog Brent]

100% that is what's going to happen. We had to keep Sandars this year for that to happen, that's why we wouldnt give him up this year. Tassie compensation which we will trade to Port Adelaide.

But the timeframe doesn't work - Tassie doesn't start until 2028?

 

[Hobdog]

Power and Regan live and breathe this stuff on a full-time basis. If anyone in here has thought about it, you can strongly assume those guys have too.

 

[Mutt]

But the timeframe doesn't work - Tassie doesn't start until 2028?

Correct. Tassie won't have access to draft picks until the 2027 draft - one year too late for a Butters trade.

We will have to stump up the assets for Butters next year (2026 trade period)- even if some of those picks are 2027 or 2028 picks. We can't include in a trade next year any future picks that we might get for Sanders in 2027.

 

[JohnnySteel]

Positive is that the picks we give up for Butters we’ll likely get a few firsts back for Sanders the following year if he does go, so we won’t be losing much at the draft.
Just need him to sign on for an extra two years so he is in contract and we can get more for him.

 

[0utsider]

You're taking about a guy whose training standards are so poor Lyon sent him to train with the VFL squad.
He's not fit enough, not committed enough, hates contested ball and is a shit bloke to boot.

There is zero reason to actually consider him. He kicks 60m and has no other AFL qualities.

That’s fair, the comments about training and fitness mean more to me than something he may or may not have done as a child. Put a line through him I guess.

 

[Bulldogs85]

You're taking about a guy whose training standards are so poor Lyon sent him to train with the VFL squad.
He's not fit enough, not committed enough, hates contested ball and is a shit bloke to boot.

There is zero reason to actually consider him. He kicks 60m and has no other AFL qualities.

Also got a 10 week suspension because Arie brought beers into a training camp in his draft year.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

F*CK Port.

Edited for brevity.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

I have no doubt he'd be at the very least a serviceable AFL talent if he took things seriously.

I know nothing of the guy that is the subject of this discussion. But I do know a bit about the last guy who was a talented recalcitrant and he was shipped not for peanuts, but the worthless shells that cover them. I dont think that the club would be in a hurry to jump into that fire again.

 

[Mojorisin]

I know nothing of the guy that is the subject of this discussion. But I do know a bit about the last guy who was a talented recalcitrant and he was shipped not for peanuts, but the worthless shelfs that cover them. I dont think that the club would be in a hurry to jump into that fire again.

And this one is nowhere near as talented as the last.

 

[Unorth]

The Butters smoke is undeniable.

There’s still a lot of time to play out.

The Hawks not wasting their assets on a 30 year old Merrett is a potential problem. The Blues getting assets for Curnow is another.

I would expect both of those teams to get as dirty as they can to lure Butters over. Sam Mitchell probably has a restaurant booked for the two of them for July 2026 already.

We were “balls deep” in Barrass but got pipped by the Hawks going above and beyond what the Dogs are willing to do during the season. There are huge egos involved at that level. Players probably love opposing coaches ‘breaking the code’ to wine and dine them mid season.

Obviously the signs pointed to, if Butters was hypothetically an unrestricted free agent in 2025, yeah he would have come. But he has a long time to think about what’s important to him. Hawks can sell him a more successful culture. Blues have a larger base for off-field earnings. We have his bromance with the Bont and that he obviously still has a soft spot for the club he supported.

maybe he does really have his mind made up and thats that. It definitely benefits us that he’s an RFA if he does nominate us. Port either bottoms out and gets pick 2 as compo, or 3 x firsts from us.

I don’t know if the club is necessarily with the times on this stuff and that is essentially the concern around Butters. Just because we’re in the box seat now doesn’t mean we should get complacent and watch other, larger clubs get aggressive in winning him over - because they’ll try.

if other senior coaches are meeting with him, Bevo needs to drop the moral stance and take Butters to dinner and put on a show with his guitar if that’s necessary. Or take him surfing with Cody. Whatever.

Getting a top 10 player at really the start of his prime, to nominate us, would be such a defining moment for the club.

 

[Struggle]

Matt Kennedy was originally a 1st round pick too (GWS pick 13).

Crozier too

 

[Foxman98]

The Butters smoke is undeniable.

There’s still a lot of time to play out.

The Hawks not wasting their assets on a 30 year old Merrett is a potential problem. The Blues getting assets for Curnow is another.

I would expect both of those teams to get as dirty as they can to lure Butters over. Sam Mitchell probably has a restaurant booked for the two of them for July 2026 already.

We were “balls deep” in Barrass but got pipped by the Hawks going above and beyond what the Dogs are willing to do during the season. There are huge egos involved at that level. Players probably love opposing coaches ‘breaking the code’ to wine and dine them mid season.

Obviously the signs pointed to, if Butters was hypothetically an unrestricted free agent in 2025, yeah he would have come. But he has a long time to think about what’s important to him. Hawks can sell him a more successful culture. Blues have a larger base for off-field earnings. We have his bromance with the Bont and that he obviously still has a soft spot for the club he supported.

maybe he does really have his mind made up and thats that. It definitely benefits us that he’s an RFA if he does nominate us. Port either bottoms out and gets pick 2 as compo, or 3 x firsts from us.

I don’t know if the club is necessarily with the times on this stuff and that is essentially the concern around Butters. Just because we’re in the box seat now doesn’t mean we should get complacent and watch other, larger clubs get aggressive in winning him over - because they’ll try.

if other senior coaches are meeting with him, Bevo needs to drop the moral stance and take Butters to dinner and put on a show with his guitar if that’s necessary. Or take him surfing with Cody. Whatever.

Getting a top 10 player at really the start of his prime, to nominate us, would be such a defining moment for the club.

Carlton don't have anything other then Sydneys pick in 2027 which will be in the 20s

They have to match a bid for Walker who will be top 3

Hawks can get as dirty as they like outside of Barrass they haven't really landed anyone outside of Battle who no one else wanted at the time

 

[The Inbetweener]

The Butters smoke is undeniable.

There’s still a lot of time to play out.

The Hawks not wasting their assets on a 30 year old Merrett is a potential problem. The Blues getting assets for Curnow is another.

I would expect both of those teams to get as dirty as they can to lure Butters over. Sam Mitchell probably has a restaurant booked for the two of them for July 2026 already.

We were “balls deep” in Barrass but got pipped by the Hawks going above and beyond what the Dogs are willing to do during the season. There are huge egos involved at that level. Players probably love opposing coaches ‘breaking the code’ to wine and dine them mid season.

Obviously the signs pointed to, if Butters was hypothetically an unrestricted free agent in 2025, yeah he would have come. But he has a long time to think about what’s important to him. Hawks can sell him a more successful culture. Blues have a larger base for off-field earnings. We have his bromance with the Bont and that he obviously still has a soft spot for the club he supported.

maybe he does really have his mind made up and thats that. It definitely benefits us that he’s an RFA if he does nominate us. Port either bottoms out and gets pick 2 as compo, or 3 x firsts from us.

I don’t know if the club is necessarily with the times on this stuff and that is essentially the concern around Butters. Just because we’re in the box seat now doesn’t mean we should get complacent and watch other, larger clubs get aggressive in winning him over - because they’ll try.

if other senior coaches are meeting with him, Bevo needs to drop the moral stance and take Butters to dinner and put on a show with his guitar if that’s necessary. Or take him surfing with Cody. Whatever.

Getting a top 10 player at really the start of his prime, to nominate us, would be such a defining moment for the club.

Agree. I would normally be worried about the Hawks, but I really don’t think Butters would want to be going out to Dingley. The Blues will have the cap and the picks, but not sure if they can sell him the on field success. Really think it’s down to us, Cats and Pies.