Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 8 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[_Mike_]

Opposition supporters coming to troll , you have been warned

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Of the below players who have played significant minutes in defence over the past couple of years, which players play in defence at AFL level vs defence at VFL level vs elsewhere at either level? There are 20 on the list and only about 14 positions down back to go around.

Busslinger
Lobb
Jaques
Gallagher
Baker
Coffield
O'Donnell
Khamis
Freijah
Bramble
Dale
Williams
Cleary
Sellwood
Walker
Gardner
Budarick
Carmichael
Emmett
W Darcy

 

[Salad dog]

Of the below players who have played significant minutes in defence over the past couple of years, which players play in defence at AFL level vs defence at VFL level vs elsewhere at either level? There are 20 on the list and only about 14 positions down back to go around.

Busslinger
Lobb
Jaques
Gallagher
Baker
Coffield
O'Donnell
Khamis
Freijah
Bramble
Dale
Williams
Cleary
Sellwood
Walker
Gardner
Budarick
Carmichael
Emmett
W Darcy

AFL:
FB: Bramble, Busslinger, Lobb
HB: Dale, O’Donnell, Budarick
7th: Cleary
Wing: Williams
Mid/Fwd: Freijah

VFL:
FB: Sellwood, Gardner, Coffield
HB: Carmichael, Emmett, Jaques
7th: W. Darcy
Wing: Baker (could be in the 1’s)
Wing: Gallagher
Fwd: Khamis
Fwd: Walker

 

[cleveland]

Butters loves Bont and Libba so much

 

[weltschmerz]

I'm not going to believe it until the contract is signed. Geelong has the better part of a year to get some brown paper bags stuffed.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

If Butters comes to us and Port bottom out and accept FA compo, then I will accept there is an all powerful Dog watching over us.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

If Butters comes to us and Port bottom out and accept FA compo, then I will accept there is an all powerful Dog watching over us.

Has to be, because it ain’t the AFL.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

AFL:
FB: Bramble, Busslinger, Lobb
HB: Dale, O’Donnell, Budarick
7th: Cleary
Wing: Williams
Mid/Fwd: Freijah

VFL:
FB: Sellwood, Gardner, Coffield
HB: Carmichael, Emmett, Jaques
7th: W. Darcy
Wing: Baker (could be in the 1’s)
Wing: Gallagher
Fwd: Khamis
Fwd: Walker

Do you see Walker as a fwd long term? Disappointing if so. If we see him as a legitimate third defender for the future I'd love him back there developing as much as possible. Otherwise think your arrangement looks good. Hoping to see some of Carmichael, Jaques, and Sellwood pushing for spots in the back 7 at AFL level at some point this season.

 

[Sentinel]

All this talk of Butters to the Dogs still feels like some elaborate long running prank setup by a bunch of sadists to give this board a collective moment like the below when he eventually nominates Geelong:

 

[threenewpadlocks]

AFL:
FB: Bramble, Busslinger, Lobb
HB: Dale, O’Donnell, Budarick
7th: Cleary
Wing: Williams
Mid/Fwd: Freijah

VFL:
FB: Sellwood, Gardner, Coffield
HB: Carmichael, Emmett, Jaques
7th: W. Darcy
Wing: Baker (could be in the 1’s)
Wing: Gallagher
Fwd: Khamis
Fwd: Walker

I don't think this is necessarily the correct way of framing this.

There are always going to be injuries and unexpected position shifts/tactical developments.

In a 23 player AFL team selection most teams run a 7-man rotation with a bit of a buffer (so lets say 7.33/23), which is about 32% of your list being "defenders".

Of a 42 player list, 32% is about 13-13.5 players.

Of the list, some I wouldn't classify as defenders.

Busslinger - 100%
Lobb - 95%, might be needed for ruck/forward coverage
Jaques 100%
Gallagher 40% - AFL games were in midfield, might need to reinvent himself as a running halfback
Baker 80% - played there in career-best form to end season but has played on wing
Coffield 100%
O'Donnell 100%
Khamis 40% - foward most recently AFL level.
Freijah 15% - will play there in a pinch like his year 1 style but is well and truly a midfielder as he gets older to be most impactful on games like some of his running goals this year
Bramble 90% - some wing minutes
Dale 95% - played forward in patches to break a tag
Williams 35% - was swung back as in-game injury cover at times
Cleary 100%
Sellwood 100%
Walker 100%
Gardner 90% - who knows these days
Budarick 100%
Carmichael 100%
Emmett 75% - has been earmarked for this as his running capacity at his height is more useful as a Mark Blicavs-esque key defender than an out-and-out ruck forward
W Darcy - 75% project tall.

That adds up to 16.3 players though,

Of the below players who have played significant minutes in defence over the past couple of years, which players play in defence at AFL level vs defence at VFL level vs elsewhere at either level? There are 20 on the list and only about 14 positions down back to go around.

Busslinger
Lobb
Jaques
Gallagher
Baker
Coffield
O'Donnell
Khamis
Freijah
Bramble
Dale
Williams
Cleary
Sellwood
Walker
Gardner
Budarick
Carmichael
Emmett
W Darcy

about 2 players over the 14-14.5 range, so assuming there's a roughly balanced number of injuries across all positional groups, something is going to have to give IMO.

I think W. Darcy and Gardner are two reasonable chances to go forward a lot more. Will Darcy is entirely speculative re draft position and we need to prioritise the development of players we believe to be more likely to make it to AFL level (like Emmett, Walker) if we believe that defence is their position. And this is likely to be Gardner's last year on an AFL list and is a professional who is proven capability and being team-oriented to play a tall utility role in different positions at VFL level last couple of years.

Just as an aside, some of the discussion over the last few months on if Lachie Smith would play defence ... is now pretty funny in retrospect when we're clearly oversubscribed for defenders.

 

[Doggy]

He has the highest level of campaigner in our team which is valuable

Not for long

 

[grassman75]

Butters loves Bont and Libba so much

He ain’t Robinson Crusoe there old mate

 

[Salad dog]

Do you see Walker as a fwd long term? Disappointing if so. If we see him as a legitimate third defender for the future I'd love him back there developing as much as possible. Otherwise think your arrangement looks good. Hoping to see some of Carmichael, Jaques, and Sellwood pushing for spots in the back 7 at AFL level at some point this season.

No I do not, his is the only position I dislike. Swapping him & Gardner would be fine to me.

However, two bags of 4 goals was impressive and maybe they seem as a forward long term?

Croft is another interesting fwd or back

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

No I do not, his is the only position I dislike. Swapping him & Gardner would be fine to me.

However, two bags of 4 goals was impressive and maybe they seem as a forward long term?

Croft is another interesting fwd or back

I think committing to two developing KPDs in Emmett and Darcy means two things:
1. Gardner needs to stay in defence as a mature, guiding head to support our huge amount of developing defenders;
2. Croft is, at least for the short to medium term, a key forward.

I suspect that Emmett supports Smith in the ruck and Carmichael plays solid mid minutes, opening up roles in defence for Walker if he's viewed as a defender. Otherwise, Coffield is the one I'd be tempted to push up the field to allow the youngsters to develop in their natural positions.

 

[Mojorisin]

Otherwise, Coffield is the one I'd be tempted to push up the field to allow the youngsters to develop in their natural positions.

I don’t mind the idea of moving Coffield upto a wing as a final dice role, much like we seen with Poulter's move forward this year.

 

[Salad dog]

I think committing to two developing KPDs in Emmett and Darcy means two things:
1. Gardner needs to stay in defence as a mature, guiding head to support our huge amount of developing defenders;
2. Croft is, at least for the short to medium term, a key forward.

I suspect that Emmett supports Smith in the ruck and Carmichael plays solid mid minutes, opening up roles in defence for Walker if he's viewed as a defender. Otherwise, Coffield is the one I'd be tempted to push up the field to allow the youngsters to develop in their natural positions.

With Buss have more shoulder surgery, we might even see him start in the VFL again

 

[Golden_6]

With Buss have more shoulder surgery, we might even see him start in the VFL again

A terrible start for him. Another preseason unable to build upper body strength or work on the physicality that he desperately needs.

I’d be shocked if he’s a regular fixture next year.

 

[BrisDog]

With Buss have more shoulder surgery, we might even see him start in the VFL again

Any media links to this injury news?

Edit: found it

Setback for young Dogs mid, injury-hit veteran trains strongly

Josh Gabelich has the latest updates from the Western Bulldogs' pre-season

www.afl.com.au

 

[VitalDread]

Any media links to this injury news?

In the article about Sanders
It goes into detail about our injuries

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Man that sucks for Buss..and us

 

[Testekill]

Hope it's not like Ayce Cordy

Ayce Cordy

Age

35

Ht

204cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.0

2star

K

3.7

1star

HB

4.3

3star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.6

4star

No current season stats available

D

9.0

3star

K

3.0

1star

HB

6.0

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.2

3star

who just never got over his shoulder problems.

 

[DiamondDogs8]

I suspect we see a lot of Lobb/JOD as the sole talls down back this year

Buss was almost guaranteed a spot as the third tall in my eyes, but another shoulder reco is a big speed bump

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Emmett is pretty developed for a young tall. Could see games this year

 

[Bald Headed Flog]

Emmett is pretty developed for a young tall. Could see games this year

One of the guys on Woof mentioned he was virtually unsighted in match sim the other day. Something like a single handball in 25+ minutes of play.

On a side note, highly recommend joining Woof, especially for this time of year

 

[Mojorisin]

One of the guys on Woof mentioned he was virtually unsighted in match sim the other day. Something like a single handball in 25+ minutes of play.

On a side note, highly recommend joining Woof, especially for this time of year

I tried to join a few years ago. Seems almost impossible for someone of my very low digital skill set to manage. Also by other reports by those who can actually get in it seems pretty heavily gate kept with lots of rules around engagement, although I can't comment personally on this as I never actually got into the thing.

 

[Golden_6]

I tried to join a few years ago. Seems almost impossible for someone of my very low digital skill set to manage. Also by other reports by those who can actually get in it seems pretty heavily gate kept with lots of rules around engagement, although I can't comment personally on this as I never actually got into the thing.

I tried to join and got rejected a couple of years ago. I'm an active poster here and would contribute to anything I join.

It completely put me off it like it's run by some superior gatekeeper. It's honestly ridiculous and to be honest baffling.