Trade Andrew McLeod

[SuperChook]

Re: Andrew McLeod

Yes, it means McLeoad play exceptionally well in two pressure games but not both in the same season

If I was voting I would have given one of those medals to D. Jarman.

Fair enough - Jarman was brilliant too. I don't think Mcleod has had a good year but, he is not alone there! Over the period of time Mcleod has been at Adelaide he has mostly played exceptional football. He is a club champion worthy great respect and another season if he wants it.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Re: Andrew McLeod

This is one of our best ever, champion players we are bagging. I know we have had a poor year but Andrew McLeod has been an out and out champion for us. Does duel Norm Smith Medalist mean anything? One bad year and you guys want to burn him. This is the biggest load of garbage I have ever heard. Get behind our players and support them through this difficult year. Try looking back, even to last year - McLeod is brilliant! I would not trade him for anything.

No doubt that Macca's past record means we should allow more for him than the average player ... but it does not give him the right to put in regular poor performances where he has not given 100%. It is this poor attitude which has led me to the belief that he may best traded for both him & the club to have a new lease of life.

 

[gundy]

Re: Andrew McLeod

Hilarious gundy! Your flair for a payout is about as good as they are on one of those Keno ads. I doubt you are a Crows supporter. If I'm right, haven't you got something better to do?

Thanks for the compliment, I think

I am a footy supporter. I've got my 1991 AFC Season Ticket framed in the pool room and I'm a Category 1 SANFL member.

 

[gundy]

Re: Andrew McLeod

Fair enough - Jarman was brilliant too. I don't think Mcleod has had a good year but, he is not alone there! Over the period of time Mcleod has been at Adelaide he has mostly played exceptional football. He is a club champion worthy great respect and another season if he wants it.

Agreed. McLeod is still capable of that ol' magic it's just that he can't pull it out of the bag every week (unlike the Roo )

 

[SuperChook]

Re: Andrew McLeod

No doubt that Macca's past record means we should allow more for him than the average player ... but it does not give him the right to put in regular poor performances where he has not given 100%. It is this poor attitude which has led me to the belief that he may best traded for both him & the club to have a new lease of life.

If it is poor attitude then drop him to the Magpies. Perhaps there are things about Andrew's form that only the people involved (training etc..) know. Perhaps dropping him might have relived a bit of pressure and allowed time to gain fitness/form. My main objection to this arguement is the way in which some are talking about Andrew McLeod. The bloke deserves a lot of respect.

 

[jc67]

Re: Andrew McLeod

Yes, it means McLeoad play exceptionally well in two pressure games but not both in the same season

If I was voting I would have given one of those medals to D. Jarman.

and the other to Kane Johnstone

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Re: Andrew McLeod

and the other to Kane Johnstone

Benny Hart for me in '98, because we wouldn't have had a chance to win at half-time if it weren't for him repelling most of the Roos attacks.

PS Macca was still awesome though!

 

[Fall Out Boy]

OK, give us hmmm...Tom Harley.

And make Matthew Scarlett unhappy? No thanks.

You can have David Spriggs and James Rahilly though. They are champions, i swear.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Re: Andrew McLeod

If it is poor attitude then drop him to the Magpies. Perhaps there are things about Andrew's form that only the people involved (training etc..) know. Perhaps dropping him might have relived a bit of pressure and allowed time to gain fitness/form. My main objection to this arguement is the way in which some are talking about Andrew McLeod. The bloke deserves a lot of respect.

If only you knew the full facts. Macca's poor attitude has not been a once-off problem & has been a bad example for someone who is part of the leadership group & commanding the 2nd highest player salary at AFC.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

And make Matthew Scarlett unhappy? No thanks.

You can have David Spriggs and James Rahilly though. They are champions, i swear.

Hehe, I don't think so phaty!

 

[SuperChook]

Re: Andrew McLeod

If only you knew the full facts. Macca's poor attitude has not been a once-off problem & has been a bad example for someone who is part of the leadership group & commanding the 2nd highest player salary at AFC.

Do you hold a position in the club? I think the man deserves some respect. AFC and supporters have certainly got their money's worth from Andrew McLeod over a number of years.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Re: Andrew McLeod

Do you hold a position in the club? I think the man deserves some respect. AFC and supporters have certainly got their money's worth from Andrew McLeod over a number of years.

Answer this question - if you employed someone for $400K+ per year & they were not putting in 100% effort much of the time, would you respect them?

 

[SuperChook]

Re: Andrew McLeod

Answer this question - if you employed someone for $400K+ per year & they were not putting in 100% effort much of the time, would you respect them?

No! But, you are entitled to your opinion. Seems very harsh unless you have definite facts to work with.

 

[tribey]

Re: Andrew McLeod

and the other to Kane Johnstone

Pfft... you're delusional. Peter Kavin deserved it in 1998.

 

[Mego Red]

Re: Andrew McLeod

One bad year and you guys want to burn him. This is the biggest load of garbage I have ever heard. Get behind our players and support them through this difficult year. Try looking back, even to last year - McLeod is brilliant! I would not trade him for anything.

Well - he was only so-so last year. Went missing late in the year.

Sentimentality like this will keep us in the cellar. People so busy remembering the a couple of days six years ago that they lose sight of the future. The club is bigger than the player, etc etc.

If the deal is worth it, we should do it. As part of a bigger rebuilding strategy. But, sadly, I can't imagine there will be a deal offered that would be worth it.

 

[SuperChook]

Re: Andrew McLeod

Well - he was only so-so last year. Went missing late in the year.

Sentimentality like this will keep us in the cellar. People so busy remembering the a couple of days six years ago that they lose sight of the future. The club is bigger than the player, etc etc.

If the deal is worth it, we should do it. As part of a bigger rebuilding strategy. But, sadly, I can't imagine there will be a deal offered that would be worth it.

Sentiment differs from respect. That is what I object to on this thread. Mcleod's form is dodgy this year, that is a fact. But, to say it is sentiment to think of him as a champ is crap. Successful clubs are built on respect not on malicious dribble. Readinto that what you like!

 

[Jars458]

Re: Andrew McLeod

Sentiment differs from respect. That is what I object to on this thread. Mcleod's form is dodgy this year, that is a fact. But, to say it is sentiment to think of him as a champ is crap. Successful clubs are built on respect not on malicious dribble. Readinto that what you like!

You are saying that anyone who disagrees with you and wants to trade McLeod is engaging in malicious dribble whilst your view is based on respect which is the core of succesful clubs.

McLeod has been average for more than two years for the money he's paid and the ability he has.

Still not sure we should trade him (sentiment or respect call it what you will) but I can certainly see why some would be calling for it.

That's just the harsh reality of it, and no it isn't vey nice, but perhaps the hard decisions need to be made.

 

[JohnK]

Let's go back to basics.

Will the retention of Macca help or hinder Adelaide's 2005 campaign?

As an onfield player, does he have a role to play assisting players like Johncock to move onto the next stage?

Should the club drop him because he has ceased winning matches off his own boot?

Is he a part of Adelaide's future or a part of Adelaide's past?

When Blight dropped A.Jarman, I thought Adelaide was doomed and I was wrong.

D. Jarman, as a fading star, became a part of Adelaide's future at that time.

Blight got it right with that sacking and AFC got it right with D.Jarman's signing.

It's a courageous call now to cull Macca. Is he an A.Jarman or a D. Jarman?

Remember too that D Jarman was a quiet non-leader like Macca who had immense respect from his colleagues.

 

[-WWJD-]

Should the club drop him because he has ceased winning matches off his own boot?

It's not that he's ceased winning matches off his own boot. He just doesn't contribute. Then complains about how heavily he's tagged. Does he not realise every other elite midfielder is tagged as well?

For a player with his experience, he shows no leadership what so ever. Ok, things haven't gone his way the last year and a half, suck it up. Did Roo sit in the back pocket and sulk after making the All Australian team in 97, yet missing out on a premiership? No, he was pro-active and did something about it.

That's the thing I'm most dissapointed about. People have bad patches, says something about your character as a footballer and a person how you get out of them.

 

[macca23]

Let's go back to basics.

Will the retention of Macca help or hinder Adelaide's 2005 campaign?

As an onfield player, does he have a role to play assisting players like Johncock to move onto the next stage?

Should the club drop him because he has ceased winning matches off his own boot?

Is he a part of Adelaide's future or a part of Adelaide's past?

When Blight dropped A.Jarman, I thought Adelaide was doomed and I was wrong.

D. Jarman, as a fading star, became a part of Adelaide's future at that time.

Blight got it right with that sacking and AFC got it right with D.Jarman's signing.

It's a courageous call now to cull Macca. Is he an A.Jarman or a D. Jarman?

Remember too that D Jarman was a quiet non-leader like Macca who had immense respect from his colleagues.

Not bad for a first post - not bad at all.

What do you think he is - an A Jarman or a D Jarman??

Personally I have no doubt that he's been an A Jarman for over a year now.

 

[JohnK]

It's not that he's ceased winning matches off his own boot. He just doesn't contribute. Then complains about how heavily he's tagged.

Andrew McLeod does contribute. He is high up in Adelaide's possessions and disposals nearly every week. The point here is that he has ceased to dominate games or to be a matchwinner.
You must answer the question whether he is a help or a hindrance to the team.
Ben Hart, for example, has never won a game off his own boot as a defender, but has been an incredibly consistent contributior to the team over the years.
Does McLeod still have that team contribution within him?

Secondly, I have never heard McLeod complain that he is tagged every week. Never. Ever. If I am wrong, give me evidence.

Others have complained on his behalf. But he has never put tagging up as a reason for his less than spectacular form.

 

[JohnK]

What do you think he is - an A Jarman or a D Jarman??

Personally I have no doubt that he's been an A Jarman for over a year now.

Yes, an interesting point of departure about McLeod.

A.Jarman's greatest skill was his ability to bring other players into the game.
In McLeod's early years he often passed the ball over to someone else to take the running shot for goal. This was youth and fear of failure.
Blight sent him to the backlines to eradicate that fear of failure and brought him back into attack once he had enough self-confidence to assume some authority with his shots at goal. And this is when McLeod came into his own. Skill plus confidence. Incidently, BLight did this with gaery Ablett I.
These days, he's sometimes in attack and sometimes in defense. Sometimes it is about him; sometimes it is about passing the ball over quickly to someone else.
Andrew seems confused about his own self-status at the moment. Ayres obviously didn't understand him. Equally, you could say, he didn't understand Ayres.

D.Jarman was a very special footballer, as Michael Nunan once said. Andrew thought about it, but Darren did it.

Darren was an introspective player, not making things happen so much in the team sense, but maximising his outcomes as an individual every single time he took possession of the ball. Both of the Jarman boys were extremely intelligent footballers, but they had a different type of intelligence. For Darren, it was Me and the Ball. For Andrew, it was All Players Around Me and the Ball.
Every team needs both types of these players.


Sometimes Andrew just does it, like DJ. Sometimes he makes someone else do it, like AJ.

I think there is a third stage to McLeod's career, waiting to take flight, which still needs to evolved. He is a complex footballer who appears to be cruising but isn't. He is as complex as Gavin Wanganeen who, over the years has evolved offensive and defensive skills equi-handedly. The great criticism of McLeod, as Brereton pointed out this year in a telecast, is that McLeod not only lacks defensive skills but plays as if he is not required to have them.

Ayres let McLeod coast as an out of pack receiver and a breakaway player.

I believe that Craig may be a superior tactician to Ayres and he may elicit better defensive skills from McLeod in 2005.

Or, to put this in another way, if Eades or Wallace had become Adelaide's coach, I'd trade McLeod for the best available deal. Now that Craig has the post, that trading discussion should stop right now. I have faith that Craig, more than any other potential coach, has the ability to take McLeod to a third stage in his career.

 

[tigerdan]

Hello Crows fans,

Good luck for the weekend!

I would love McLeod at Richmond, though if you were to trade him I think he would be better suited to a club challenging than rebuilding. I would like an honest assessment:

Would he be good at Richmond for 3 years? I've seen him decimate us a few times. But he's getting on a bit and I can only see 3 more years in him. So would he be worth chasing?

Very similar to Richo with the emotional attachments to the club and I think Richo will never go to another club (though Wallace may shake the applecart).

You'd get 6+ years out of Ottens and we'd get 3 out of McLeod IMHO, and we would be the losers out of a straight swap. If we get 2x 1st round picks I would consider trading the second of them. What do you think? I'm trying to be realistic. What would you seriously offer us for Richo?

Not trying to stir the pot, just wondering your thoughts because Adelaide has a reputation for being fair traders and I think McLeod is a great player.

 

[crowie]

Hello Crows fans,

Good luck for the weekend!

I would love McLeod at Richmond, though if you were to trade him I think he would be better suited to a club challenging than rebuilding. I would like an honest assessment:

Would he be good at Richmond for 3 years? I've seen him decimate us a few times. But he's getting on a bit and I can only see 3 more years in him. So would he be worth chasing?

Very similar to Richo with the emotional attachments to the club and I think Richo will never go to another club (though Wallace may shake the applecart).

You'd get 6+ years out of Ottens and we'd get 3 out of McLeod IMHO, and we would be the losers out of a straight swap. If we get 2x 1st round picks I would consider trading the second of them. What do you think? I'm trying to be realistic. What would you seriously offer us for Richo?

Not trying to stir the pot, just wondering your thoughts because Adelaide has a reputation for being fair traders and I think McLeod is a great player.

We dont want richo, Im pretty sure of that. I think we should trade him but I dont think it is realistic. I think the clubs asking price would be more than what he's worth.

 

[tigerdan]

We dont want richo, Im pretty sure of that. I think we should trade him but I dont think it is realistic. I think the clubs asking price would be more than what he's worth.

Sorry, I didn't mean you'd want Richo. What I meant was some Tiger supporters would demand the no 1 pick + Judd + Hird for him and I was hoping you'd not be the same with regards to trading McLeod.