List Mgmt. Trade Away Our 2018 1st Pick

Discussion in 'Fremantle' started by kingross29, Oct 6, 2017.

Put it out there
  1. Snuffaluphagus

    Snuffaluphagus Team Captain

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    So from just two videos you can see why people are talking up next years draft like they are. Take Terry Wallace's opinion with a grain of salt I suppose but he doesnt think anyone from this years draft would get top 6 next year, when you see Hill's highlight package and realise he's rated roughly top 5, you can see why. Long story short, unless its Jesse Hogan, you don't trade next years 1st round pick under any circumstance.
     

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  2. jerms

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    This. Close thread plz.
     
  3. Snuffaluphagus

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    I havent looked at all the videos but I'd have to agree, Hill has to be close to top 5, I think its his height apparently keeping him from being a lock. Rozee from SA is the third of the holy SA trio (Lukosious and Rankine being the other two) tipped to be a lock for top 5 next year. Plays like Fyfe I believe, tall strong midfielder with a good pair of hands. Off the top of my head I think its King x 2, Lukosious, Rankine, Rozee that could push Hill down. Sam Walsh from Vic is also highly rated and think there might have been one more SA kid pushing up the ranks by the end of the season
     
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    Callum who?

    Still don’t get why his opinion holds any weight
     
  5. wayToGo_

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    Jackson Hately is probably the other one from SA? I think Rozee's a 1st round pick but there's something I'm not convinced about yet with him. Anyway a long way to go before these guys will be drafted. This time last year we were probably all be locking in Darcy Fogarty as the #1 pick for 2017. And Petrevski-Seton the year before that. Or Will Brodie a few months later. I wouldn't be upset with any of these names mind you.
     
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    Hately was the one, and yeah, I'm same as you, dont know what the massive wraps on Rozee are about but my draft knowledge is limited to watching a few youtube videos so what would I know
     
  7. Unique Name

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    I heard someone talk about a Walsh or maybe Welsh being possibly the best draftee next year??
     
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  8. kingross29

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    Looking back on McPharlin's career you would give up picks 20 and 36 for him in a heartbeat.
    Then #1 for Croad was a mistake, he was mishandled just like a lot of the club back then. We then traded him back for pick 10.

    So we gave up pick 1, 20 and 36 for McPharlin, pick 10 and 2 years rental of Trent Croad.

    The Hawks used 2 of their 3 picks wisely. They wasted the %^*@ of of pick 20. Would we have picked Hodge? If we picked Luke he would have been done by then, if we had picked Judd he would have left us for Victoria by then. Plus we wasted pick 10 on Ryley Dunn.

    Our drafting has been pretty good over the last few years, and if we are going the extreme case situation I'll throw one in too. Remember we got Fyfe at pick 20. Imagine getting a gun with our pick 5, then 2 more Nat Fyfe's!!!!! What a team we would have.
     
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    True. Kinda like bigfooty Fremantle style, goes like this:

    Freo bigfooty during the season - we need a forward, cry cry cry
    Draft time - draft best available, that mid is too good to ignore, go for a kpf next year
    Next season - even more crying for a forward
    Next draft - same as previous.
    Repeat process.

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  10. Joao

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    To be fair we generally haven't had a pick to get us a KPF. 2016 and 2017 were the only ones but the 2016 KPF was Marshall and he slid a lot in the back half of the year. Brander seems to be doing the same. No point in reaching for them if we don't rate them.

    Otherwise I agree. We may yet take Brander or Hayes anyway.
     
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    I always get confused , was it the Marshall who played for Port in the finals or the one at the Saints ( maybe ) who we could have taken last year


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    The Port one named Todd. Apparently he goes alright in the SANFL (according to their fans) so I suppose you can take that with a grain of salt for now.
     
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    Cheers , he looked OK against West Corp but more of a lead up guy than a target man


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    I don't see us having a top 3 pick, so not relevant. But I am very interested in O'Reilly and Hill. We can pay for Carter with later picks.
     
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    I wouldn't even think of trading it this year.

    If its a top 5 pick I wouldn't trade it unless someone is willing to pay way over the value of it
     
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    cant trade our first and second from next years draft I think and we definitely have to use the second for Wilson
     
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    I reckon Lukosius will slip down the rankings by next year. He is quite inconsistent at the moment (some games are great, others almost unsighted), and not an optimal size for a key position player and never kicks more than 3 goals a game; he finished the season playing quite a bit of time in defence. Did nothing in the U17s game. See Jarrod Brander to see what will happen with him; will turn into a defender to develop his versatility and will probably be Pick 7 - 15.

    Max King will suffer the same fate as Sam Hayes this year, possibly worse - he is not a "kick a bag" forward, and his mobility will push him into the next year ruck more. Even Hayes had a game where he kick six; probably pick 15 - 20 range.

    Rankine is a natural in the same way as Petrevski-Seton...which means they will probably sit a tagger on him all season; both he and Hill are a bit small (sub 180cm) for my liking but they are pretty good - picks 4 - 6.

    But honestly I don't think 2019 will be that much better.

    :p
     
  18. Snuffaluphagus

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    Cant tell if serious...
     
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    Didn't Lukosious kick 4 on league debut? In a prelim?
     
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    I thought that highlights video was only the first half too.
     
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    3 in first quarter I think.
     
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    Peaked too early. I’ll back Tabs in I reckon!
     
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    Partially not serious, but people are going nuts about these players and I would add a layer of caution. From following drafts for probably ten years now at a medium level, you can get severly burnt trying to translate their U16/U17 performance levels into draft position (Oddly though, not so much, how well they perform at AFL level). Some things to consider:

    (1) Recruiters only rate performances so far, recognizing that AFL level is a different game almost entirely.
    (2) Recruiters rate (higher that the average punter) athletic traits.
    (3) Recruiters rate versatility / the ability to play more than one position
    (4) Development coaches have a vested interest in getting players drafted, so the coach to (3), often at the expense of (1).
    (5) Recruiters are ranking based upon how they believe a player will perform 3-4 years after drafted, not how close they will go to winning the NAB rising star award.

    Using these tenets, I can see easily some of these "sure-thing" top 5s slipping out of the top 5.
     
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    #15 & #17 this year seems way too risky for what will likely be available to Fremantle next year.

    Don't do it.
     
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    Thoughts on 12 and 18 for 5? The draft points are in your favour by about 400 there. Pretty sure that would get you Allen and Naughton.
     
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