List Mgmt. Trade/Draft Callback: 2017 first round pick out for an extra 2016 pick

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The Rubber Man

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expected marshall and atley to have a bigger year than what they are having.
SPP is currently being dropped.
Drew is showing he is on the verge of being a first 22 player.

All four are on the fringe of the list at the moment. Still happy with it, although expected/hoped for a little bit more by at this point.
 

ctpower

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OUT: 2016 1st (#11 Oliver Florent), 2016 3rd (#48 Darcy Cameron), 2016 4th (#62 Matthew Signorello), 2017 1st (#12 Darcy Fogarty)

IN: 2016 1sts (#16 Todd Marshall, #18 Sam Powell-Pepper), 2016 3rds (#31 Joe Atley, #32 Willem Drew)

How are we feeling about this now?
I’m still thinking we got this wrong. Not in terms of trading for the picks but rather the players we drafted.
All four are playing sanfl this week.
That’s a bad sign.
 

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The way Marshall is heading and talk that SPP is on the way out its looking pretty poor. Fogarty is the guy who was picked up with our 2017 pick (no loss) so we probably didn't miss out with that pick (T.Kelly was available but doubt he'd of taken him)

How we used those picks is looking poor, Will Hayward is one that really stands out, maybe Berry.

I certainly am not moving on SPP, it think he really has what it takes to become a really dynamic, match winning mid.

Marshall is starting to worry me, i think he definitely needs another preseason. Just because he is skinny doesn't mean he cant be the number 1 forward, he just wont be a Dixon type forward. J Cameron goes alright. Marshall just needs to play to his strengths, he has some real elite and rare attributes for a player of his height.
 

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I would go with if I was Marshall and I had lost both my parents like he did I would of gone off the edge.

He will come good the lad is strong. He just needs time... he has gone through a incredible hard couple of years.

If I'm wrong.. well his happiness is more important then football anyways.
 

PJ Power

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2020 becomes a huge year for this intake of draftees.

We should only let SPP go for a first round pick or as part of deals to get Hateley or Lukosius (not Fantasia).

Drew must be played ahead of Rockliff.

I don’t know where Atley fits in. He should be a more dynamic midfielder than he’s shown so far. Hopefully he has a great SANFL finals campaign and elevates his game next year.

Marshall needs to be the big improver though. We need a 30+ goal season from him and for him to start having dominant matches.

Ladhams also to feature prominently next year.
 

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So just revisiting this, remains a tough one to answer.

Marshall has been threatening and I suspect we will know by the end of the year if he is going to make it.

For me SPP is a heart and soul, crash and bash player but his game awareness and skills are poor. I haven’t minded him as a defensive forward but have to wonder where he is heading and what his ceiling is.

Drew is injured and, whilst he has shown bits, his future would have to be in question. Atley would have to be done at years end.

Now I still think we do that trade again but it’s looking less and less successful.
Would we take Berry instead of SPP? English over Marshall? Or Florent and Fogarty without the trade?
 

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I really, really like Florent. But i think Marshall will be a better player in time. A no to Fogarty. I also think Drew will come good once Rockliff/Wines leave.
 

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Ollie florent was one of a few that draft that hasn't been trash
I dunno, the 2016 draft looks solid, just off the top of my head we got SPP and Marshall which is very good with 16 + 18, but McLuggage, Taranto, Sean Darcy, McGrath, Berry, Stewart, etc have all been solid and there’s plenty of other players who have been serviceable at the very least.
 

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I still believe Marshall will become a solid AFL forward but he needs a big bloke like Dixon in the vicinity for him to show his best, some decent delivery from the midfield wouldn't go astray either.

But I thought Doogs would make the grade at Alberton as a tall utility, and look how that ended. :rolleyes:
 

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OUT: 2016 1st (#11 Oliver Florent), 2016 3rd (#48 Darcy Cameron), 2016 4th (#62 Matthew Signorello), 2017 1st (#12 Darcy Fogarty)

IN: 2016 1sts (#16 Todd Marshall, #18 Sam Powell-Pepper), 2016 3rds (#31 Joe Atley, #32 Willem Drew)

How are we feeling about this now?
It’s looking less and less successful isn’t it?

English, Naughton, Georgiades, McDonald, etc showing some really positive signs whilst Marshall just hasn’t been able to take the next step.

Florent looking a serious talent at Sydney, whilst SPP is dealing with things. Atley delisted. Drew maybe shaken his injury issues.

I think this trade + 2016/17 drafts followed by chasing Rocky and Lycett, really show some discordance in our overall strategy.
 

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It’s looking less and less successful isn’t it?

English, Naughton, Georgiades, McDonald, etc showing some really positive signs whilst Marshall just hasn’t been able to take the next step.

Florent looking a serious talent at Sydney, whilst SPP is dealing with things. Atley delisted. Drew maybe shaken his injury issues.

I think this trade + 2016/17 drafts followed by chasing Rocky and Lycett, really show some discordance in our overall strategy.
Lol...
 

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This draft ended up not netting us the superstars we hoped for, but in Marshall, SPP, Drew and Ladhams, we still have four young players who can clearly play at this level and bring high level support to the trio of Butters, Rozee and Georgiades who are showing A-grade potential.
If two of spp, drew and Marshall make it then I think we’ve broken even but if the three of them do then I think we’re ahead.
 

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If two of spp, drew and Marshall make it then I think we’ve broken even but if the three of them do then I think we’re ahead.
Depends on what constitutes it as them “making it”. SPP and Marshall should comfortably make it to 100, if not 150-200 games. Drew and Ladhams maybe to 100.
Good return? Yes.
Premiership forging return? Maybe if it supports A-graders who come out of the 2018-2020 drafts.
 

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Depends on what constitutes it as them “making it”. SPP and Marshall should comfortably make it to 100, if not 150-200 games. Drew and Ladhams maybe to 100.
Good return? Yes.
Premiership forging return? Maybe if it supports A-graders who come out of the 2018-2020 drafts.
Yeah fair point.
I’m thinking 150 games and I think spp will comfortably get there.
I said back in 2019 that i thought drew was the best player from that list and I still think that. I’m just not sure his body will hold up.
 

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