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There is a massive gulf between the swings in good games V bad games as opposed to rocking up and not even getting involved and making an effort.

Playing poorly is very different from showing zero effort.
Some times you can try hard and put in the effort and still play crap, I can accept that.
However if you rock up and don't put in the effort thats inexcusable.

Your not concerned about the apathy verses the production.
Well I am.

So lets agree to disagree.

Why worry excessively ?!

Because thats the difference between winning and losing.
I just can't see simmo accepting that, Jetta will get dropped if he doesn't work.

Yeah okay. I forgot WC are a champion team with champions in every position. :rolleyes:

If you think Jetta wasn't even close to Gaff or Shuey this year during the H&A season it's a waste of time even discussing it with you.
Just FYI, Making outlandish and close ended statements doesnt make you right. Play the ball not the man.

Gaff and Jetta were not even close this year. And Shuey was much more damaging + he actually wins his own ball.

Edit: pants posted the stats , hard to argue. Interested to see if you reply to his evidence or you just continue rattle out posts how everyone else is wrong etc.
 

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What? I said I didn't mention Shuey. :drunk:

Again, tell me using the stats I've given you how Jetta is comparable. Frankly you can't because he wasn't.

If Jetta had a disappointing season how can he be compared to one player who had an amazing season and another who had a solid season?
I wasn't saying he had a disappointing season that was your mate. I was saying he had a good season. My original post was in reply to Keyser not you.

Gaff and Shuey had better seasons but offensively (goal kicking, inside 50s, scoring assists) Jetta is comparable. Did you see that on your trip to footywire?
 

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I just can't see simmo accepting that, Jetta will get dropped if he doesn't work.



Just FYI, Making outlandish and close ended statements doesnt make you right. Play the ball not the man.

Gaff and Jetta were not even close this year. And Shuey was much more damaging + he actually wins his own ball.

Edit: pants posted the stats , hard to argue. Interested to see if you reply to his evidence or you just continue rattle out posts how everyone else is wrong etc.
As I have said multiple times offensively (inside 50s, goals kicked and scoring involvements, etc) he actually is comparable.
 

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I wasn't saying he had a disappointing season that was your mate. I was saying he had a good season. My original post was in reply to Keyser not you.

Gaff and Shuey had better seasons but offensively (goal kicking, inside 50s, scoring assists) Jetta is comparable. Did you see that on your trip to footywire?
So now you are changing your point to suit you.

Jetta's goalscoring wasn't comparable to Shuey at all and was just above Gaffs who isn't a big goal kicker.

On his H&A performance he was a match for Gaff and Shuey. Very consistent and effective.
Your words. Not sure how else they can be interpreted but please continue to come across as stupid.
 

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So now you are changing your point to suit you.

Jetta's goalscoring wasn't comparable to Shuey at all and was just above Gaffs who isn't a big goal kicker.



Your words. Not sure how else they can be interpreted but please continue to come across as stupid.
Actually my interest in Jetta is based on offensive abilities. What else would it be based on? His defensive game or contested game?

What do you expect Jetta's role in the team to be? Now why would be the relevant stats that would be important to that role?

Goal kicking wise he wasn't as good as one and better then the other isn't that the very definition of comparable? Look at inside 50s and scoring involvements and you will see they are also comparable.

So has hasn't had a good or consistent H&A season?
 
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Actually my interest in Jetta is based on offensive abilities. What else would it be based on? His defensive game or contested game?

What do you expect Jetta role in the team to be? Now why would be the relevant a stats that would be important to that role?

Goal kicking wise he wasn't as good as one and better then the other isn't that the very definition of comparable? Look at inside 50s and scoring involvements and you will see they are also comparable.

So has hasn't had a good or consistent H&A season?
Please stop trying to change what your original point was. It was clear as day and now you're coming across as desperate instead of just going 'you know what, you're right, they aren't comparable, perhaps using Gaff and Shuey wasn't the right players for my point'.

Jetta was certainly consistent for the most part but I wouldn't say he was consistently good. Above average maybe. Gaff was consistently excellent and Shuey was consistently solid without being always spectacular.

I already said in the Jetta thread why I want Jetta, it's because he is the opposite to Gaff on the other wing, Gaff accumulates disposals and runs all day, not a big goal scorer but is great in the link up, it works to have on the other wing a player who needs less of the ball to be just as damaging, will give burst of speed to open a game up and can hit the scoreboard (he'll need to be kicking 20+ goals a season for us though).

The question is can Jetta become that player again.
 
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"The raft of clubs chasing Hawk Jed Anderson will have to come up with an early second-round draft pick to convince Hawthorn to part with the contracted midfielder.

It’s understood the Hawks want a pick from No.20 to No.25 for Anderson, who has played just 10 games in three seasons at Waverley, with injury and the Hawks' midfield strength preventing him from establishing himself as a regular senior player.

Adelaide, North Melbourne and Carlton are among the clubs believed to be chasing."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-13/trade-wrap-yarran-stalemate-high-price-on-hawk-kanga-in-demand

Could be tough to get Anderson if that is the case and it is arguable whether the price is justifiable.
 

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"The raft of clubs chasing Hawk Jed Anderson will have to come up with an early second-round draft pick to convince Hawthorn to part with the contracted midfielder.

It’s understood the Hawks want a pick from No.20 to No.25 for Anderson, who has played just 10 games in three seasons at Waverley, with injury and the Hawks' midfield strength preventing him from establishing himself as a regular senior player.

Adelaide, North Melbourne and Carlton are among the clubs believed to be chasing."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-13/trade-wrap-yarran-stalemate-high-price-on-hawk-kanga-in-demand

Could be tough to get Anderson if that is the case and it is arguable whether the price is justifiable.
Pick around the 30s is probably his true value right now, but Hawks obviously bumping that up a little.
 
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"The raft of clubs chasing Hawk Jed Anderson will have to come up with an early second-round draft pick to convince Hawthorn to part with the contracted midfielder.

It’s understood the Hawks want a pick from No.20 to No.25 for Anderson, who has played just 10 games in three seasons at Waverley, with injury and the Hawks' midfield strength preventing him from establishing himself as a regular senior player.

Adelaide, North Melbourne and Carlton are among the clubs believed to be chasing."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-13/trade-wrap-yarran-stalemate-high-price-on-hawk-kanga-in-demand

Could be tough to get Anderson if that is the case and it is arguable whether the price is justifiable.
In the same article:

"It is understood the Tigers value Yarran between pick No.15 and the early 20s, and they acknowledge he is a player worthy of a first-round pick."

If Yarran is between 15 and 20, Anderson is nowhere near 20 to 25.
 

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Wait, so you would do Jetta + 33 for Sinclair + 57, and then trade 14 for 23 + 25 from Essendon? Assuming Essendon and WC would agree to that (which is a MASSIVE "if")..... you're left with picks 23 (815 points) + 25 (756) + 54 (220) + 57 (182) = 1973 points.

The proposal of Sinclair + 36, 37 and 57 for Jetta + 14 leaves you with picks 33 (563) + 36 (502) + 37 (483) + 54 (220) + 57 (182) = 1950 points.


So option 1 you would do, and option 2 is a definitive NO....when the actual difference between the two is 23 bidding points (equates to pick 72). Option 1 is dealing with two clubs, with no guarantee that either club will do those trades, option 2 is a two club trade that I think WC would definately accept.
A few reasons:
1. A first rounder and Jetta is massive overs for Sinclair. Due to points we even out, but you make out like bandits if we did that trade. Definitely not an even/even trade.
2. This is not the only trade the we are going to make. We need the 14 to put on the market, and use it for other players/picks we might want. We are really interested in Seedsman, where we could get him and second rounders back, which would give us points and an extra player.
3. The only reason, I would throw you the second rounder, to get this deal done so that we could focus on other business. Like most Swans supporters and I would say Jetta is worth more then Sinclair. The extra 2nd rounder was just to get it done early.

With what we are trying to do in this trade period, I dont think the first rounder will be on the table at all in this deal. I could be wrong but I doubt it. You can keep dreaming, but No.

Thats my opinion, but most people in and around the swans I think would be on the same page. We would just walk away if you needed our first rounder.
 
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Pick around the 30s is probably his true value right now, but Hawks obviously bumping that up a little.
I had his true trade value in late 30's, so they are asking for quite a mark up IMO. Don't blame them though, the same as us with Sinclair. Don't see how we can get it done from here, unless we can somehow roll a trade for Anderson into the Sinclair/Jetta trade (and that somehow involves pick 14). Seems unlikely.
 

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I had his true trade value in late 30's, so they are asking for quite a mark up IMO. Don't blame them though, the same as us with Sinclair. Don't see how we can get it done from here, unless we can somehow roll a trade for Anderson into the Sinclair/Jetta trade (and that somehow involves pick 14). Seems unlikely.
We currently have two second rounders which is more than fair for Anderson. A deal is certainly possible.
 

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The West reporting that Sinclair and Sinclair's manager Andrew McDougal would be open to a trade to Sydney and is not expected to object should the trade be agreed by WCE .

The West seems to think a straight swap of Jetta and Sinclair could be a possibility , although Sydney may also demand a second round pick either 36 or 37 as well :confused::confused:o_O .

Interestingly Jarrad Schofield a coach of Sinclair at Subiaco in 2013 , said he wouldn't give up Sinclair if he was in West Coast's position .." I personally wouldn't be letting him go although if your not an A-grade superstar I suppose every player is tradeable " Schofield said .

Seems Tunbridge will be maintained on the list next year either on the senior or rookie list .

Patrick McGinnity was also told he was a required player after meeting with club officials last week and expected to be re-signed at the end of this month . :)

Hope WCE find the right option with Sinclair , agreeing to trade in Jetta midway through the season and the average compensation for Selwood could be costly !
 

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The West reporting that Sinclair and Sinclair's manager Andrew McDougal would be open to a trade to Sydney and is not expected to object should the trade be agreed by WCE .
Wait, wut?

THE Andrew McDougall?
 

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"The raft of clubs chasing Hawk Jed Anderson will have to come up with an early second-round draft pick to convince Hawthorn to part with the contracted midfielder.

It’s understood the Hawks want a pick from No.20 to No.25 for Anderson, who has played just 10 games in three seasons at Waverley, with injury and the Hawks' midfield strength preventing him from establishing himself as a regular senior player.

Adelaide, North Melbourne and Carlton are among the clubs believed to be chasing."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-13/trade-wrap-yarran-stalemate-high-price-on-hawk-kanga-in-demand

Could be tough to get Anderson if that is the case and it is arguable whether the price is justifiable.
I can see their point they don't won't to lose him and it's a weak draft, They know that if they do lose him for a pick above 25 they probably won't get a player out of the draft with the same talent...And that's something clubs will have to weigh up do they use a selection which in last draft would be overs, But in this draft might not be
 
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Sincers gave us "His Everything" this year and I doubt he has more upside than what we saw, Lycetts best is definitely better but he needs to get over the injury he is clearly carrying.
 
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We currently have two second rounders which is more than fair for Anderson. A deal is certainly possible.
Possible, sure. Likely??

Hawthorn already have 2 picks in the 30's. So with their first, are they likely to want to take another 4 picks in the 30's in a speculative draft. I can see why they would value their first, an early second for Anderson and their own 2 30's picks as a preference over what we have to offer.

Our best bet is that no one offers what they are hoping for.
 

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The West reporting that Sinclair and Sinclair's manager Andrew McDougal would be open to a trade to Sydney and is not expected to object should the trade be agreed by WCE .

The West seems to think a straight swap of Jetta and Sinclair could be a possibility , although Sydney may also demand a second round pick either 36 or 37 as well :confused::confused:o_O .

Interestingly Jarrad Schofield a coach of Sinclair at Subiaco in 2013 , said he wouldn't give up Sinclair if he was in West Coast's position .." I personally wouldn't be letting him go although if your not an A-grade superstar I suppose every player is tradeable " Schofield said .

Seems Tunbridge will be maintained on the list next year either on the senior or rookie list .

Patrick McGinnity was also told he was a required player after meeting with club officials last week and expected to be re-signed at the end of this month . :)

Hope WCE find the right option with Sinclair , agreeing to trade in Jetta midway through the season and the average compensation for Selwood could be costly !
Do you have a source regarding mcginnity and Tunbridge?
 
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