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Longer is basically TBC. A first ruck at a club with a better first ruck.

I think Crameri is gone in a Monfries situation ("we have a spot for you, but we can't match that offer. Your call") so I'd have Gumby rucking.
If TBC has more currency than Longer and Longer is basically the same player with more years available in him, why shouldn't/couldn't we trade him for Longer and a pick. We win, no?
 
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If TBC has more currency than Longer and Longer is basically the same player with more years available in him, why shouldn't/couldn't we trade him for Longer and a pick. We win, no?
A) because it leaves both clubs in exactly the same situation in terms of trying to play two number one rucks
B) because Brisbane won't give up a top 10 pick from 2 years ago without getting a discernible improvement
C) because neither player would agree to it
D) because Brisbane wouldn't chuck a pick in as well and would probably expect a pick the other way which we'd never do
 

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A) because it leaves both clubs in exactly the same situation in terms of trying to play two number one rucks
B) because Brisbane won't give up a top 10 pick from 2 years ago without getting a discernible improvement
C) because neither player would agree to it
D) because Brisbane wouldn't chuck a pick in as well and would probably expect a pick the other way which we'd never do
A) Any club would love to have two good rucks competing for the number one spot; one of them must play second fiddle.
B) I would have thought a proven developed ruckman a discernible improvement on an unproven ruckman with limited gametime. In this regard, he would be our second ruck to Ryder.
C) Longer might agree to it, given we are closer to finals than Brisbane are. He's also from Victoria.
D) The advantages of a Leuenberger/Bellchambers ruck combo are scary. They might want to throw another pick in.
 
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Why would Longer come here instead of say Hawthorn or Footscray where he'd be number one within 2-3 years, if not sooner? Why would TBC go to Brisbane instead of GWS?

Why would we trade TBC to set ourselves back a few years in that position instead of for a midfielder?
 

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Why would Longer come here instead of say Hawthorn or Footscray where he'd be number one within 2-3 years, if not sooner? Why would TBC go to Brisbane instead of GWS?

Why would we trade TBC to set ourselves back a few years in that position instead of for a midfielder?
I'm not suggesting that he wouldn't choose any other club than ours, but if we're entertaining the thought of a deal I still see no reason why he wouldn't choose EFC, except maybe that the ASADA investigation has us looking like a poisoned chalice. Also, their jumper is a mixture of poo and wee. Anyway, who's to say he wouldn't be number one ruck at EFC within 2-3 years? TBC going to GWS rather than play second to Leuenberger is probably a more realistic sentiment IMO. Dreaming Treloar/Greene.

What would it take to land Adam Treloar? Zaharakis + Jetta...? (I don't know much about player values)
 
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So someone who knows list management tell how dumb (or otherwise) this idea is.

Why don't have 3 or 4 spots on the main list and 1 or 2 on the rookie list devoted to ruckmen, recruited so that there is a spread of ages between them of between 18 and 30. We'd recruit a new one every couple of years with the expectation that a couple of them will leave for better opportunities at some point. In return, if we've recruited well and developed them into quite good players we'd get a steady flow of high draft picks.

The result would a good ruck combo out of the more mature rucks in the procession and good depth from the developing players.

It isn't something you'd do for any other position on the ground but ruckmen seem to be annoying in that you will either have no depth or a couple of guys too good for the 2s looking elsewhere for opportunities.
 

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So someone who knows list management tell how dumb (or otherwise) this idea is.

Why don't have 3 or 4 spots on the main list and 1 or 2 on the rookie list devoted to ruckmen, recruited so that there is a spread of ages between them of between 18 and 30. We'd recruit a new one every couple of years with the expectation that a couple of them will leave for better opportunities at some point. In return, if we've recruited well and developed them into quite good players we'd get a steady flow of high draft picks.

The result would a good ruck combo out of the more mature rucks in the procession and good depth from the developing players.

It isn't something you'd do for any other position on the ground but ruckmen seem to be annoying in that you will either have no depth or a couple of guys too good for the 2s looking elsewhere for opportunities.

It was supposed to happen but we missed Tom Campbell and have covered him with Hille because there hasn't been anyone available worth taking.
 
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I'm not suggesting that he wouldn't choose any other club than ours, but if we're entertaining the thought of a deal I still see no reason why he wouldn't choose EFC, except maybe that the ASADA investigation has us looking like a poisoned chalice. Also, their jumper is a mixture of poo and wee. Anyway, who's to say he wouldn't be number one ruck at EFC within 2-3 years? TBC going to GWS rather than play second to Leuenberger is probably a more realistic sentiment IMO. Dreaming Treloar/Greene.

What would it take to land Adam Treloar? Zaharakis + Jetta...? (I don't know much about player values)
See, they're the sort of players who are going to have a major impact on our team, not swapping one ruckman shoehorned into full forward for another. Treloar is probably off the table, Greene would be in incredibly high demand if he was going to leave (not to say we wouldn't be in with a shot), but Taylor Adams is one who is likely to leave, or at least court offers from Victorian clubs. I have my eye on pick 10 though, or pick 1 if we could manage it. If we could find a way to get Tom Boyd and Joe Daniher together, it'd be just about the greatest thing we could do for our footy club. Alternatively, two midfielders with pick 10 and pick 11/12 (most likely) would be fantastic.
 

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So someone who knows list management tell how dumb (or otherwise) this idea is.

Why don't have 3 or 4 spots on the main list and 1 or 2 on the rookie list devoted to ruckmen, recruited so that there is a spread of ages between them of between 18 and 30. We'd recruit a new one every couple of years with the expectation that a couple of them will leave for better opportunities at some point. In return, if we've recruited well and developed them into quite good players we'd get a steady flow of high draft picks.

The result would a good ruck combo out of the more mature rucks in the procession and good depth from the developing players.

It isn't something you'd do for any other position on the ground but ruckmen seem to be annoying in that you will either have no depth or a couple of guys too good for the 2s looking elsewhere for opportunities.
Geelong seem to have developed a plan that works well for them. Recruit a ruckmen, any ruckmen every two years. May end up having two #1 ruck men due to them coming on quicker, but that is a bonus if that is the case.

We have been poor at developing our own in recent years IMO. We were playing Paddy at CHB FFS when he first came into the AFL (thanks Sheedy :rolleyes:)
 

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Geelong seem to have developed a plan that works well for them. Recruit a ruckmen, any ruckmen every two years. May end up having two #1 ruck men due to them coming on quicker, but that is a bonus if that is the case.

We have been poor at developing our own in recent years IMO. We were playing Paddy at CHB FFS when he first came into the AFL (thanks Sheedy :rolleyes:)
I actually think Paddy playing at CHB at first helped his development. Teach him the defensive side of the game. It was a risk, but IMO it paid off
 

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The rookie listings and the drafting of players to fill the last few places on the list has annoyed me (except for Dalgleish and Gregory). These spots should be for guys that are not only long term prospects but guys who have serious physical attributes that can be built on (and that can make assist the side in the short term). Electrifyingly quick smalls/mids/flankers, mobile guys who are KPP/ruck size and huge young inside midfielders would be a good start.

So many of the young guys we draft, some of the mature aged recruits in particular, all seem so vanilla. There are few remarkable attributes that the senior side can use and it then becomes really difficult to see the finished products that is going to displace the 3-4 players who we probably need to improve on become a premiership contender (assuming that we will bite the bullet and accept that tactics needs to be addressed).
 
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