List Mgmt. Trade/Draft Talk- Free Agency rules in OP (keep it all in here)

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Sure, Why not. I wasn't trying to be a smart us but fair enough.

Atleast it's more realistic then Dyson + Slattery.
No way would we offer up either of Heppell or Carlisle, Heppell re-signed earlier in the year same as Carlisle too (I think). Heppell is probably our next captain and Carlisle offers us a tonne of versatility.
 
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There is a little bit of overreaction to the draft sanctions from a list management perspective.

As rines very astutely pointed out we are looking at a pick in the high teens and two picks in the low 30s. The principle aside, it isn't such a big deal that we need to be trading for the sake of having these picks...but then again the rationale is that picks are more important than players so recent comments are not that surprising.

We have 6-8 really promising young kids who are not yet fixtures in the side (JD, Kav, Dalgleish, Hams, Ashby and Gleeson; Merrett will certainly get a shit load better with another pre-season; we can probably call on one or both of Colyer and Browne) and a bottom line of young-mid aged key players in the best 22.

The loss of players is not even going to be felt.
It's about having a generational gap though. Assuming we're happy with the Kav/Merrett/O'Brien/Dalgleish and Daniher/Ashby/Gleeson/Gregory drafts we'll have a solid group of 1993 and 1994 players, then we're really hoping and praying that we get something ok out of 1995 and 1996 before normal service resumes with 1997. There's immense pressure on 3rd round and later picks for two years (although Neagle, Daniher and Long might help that) and even more pressure on what we can get in the 2015 draft. Stuff it up like Essendon did with 1999-2001 (with only Hille and Welsh being of any value at all) and we'll be feeling it in the latter parts of this decade. You simply cannot afford to have a generational gap because it leaves you in a position where there's no kids forcing their way in, and you have to look elsewhere to top up the team - see Mark Alvey, Ty Zantuck and Justin Murphy.

Look at St Kilda - they should be starting to get service from their 3rd-5th year players, but those guys simply don't exist so they're struggling.

This year we saw Merrett force his way into the best 22, next year we're a good chance to see something similar from at least one of Dalgleish, Kavanagh, O'Brien, Browne or Gleeson. Once those names either make it or don't, we've got nothing coming in to replace the Winderlichs, Fletchers, Watsons and Goddards who are starting to decline.

Getting a pick in the 9-22 range (i.e GWS's first or second or the Dogs' second) is absolutely vital for ensuring we keep revitalising the list smoothly. Shrewd trading in the next few years to get 1995-1996 aged guys in will be important too. Looking to trade in a Melksham type after his 3rd year would be the plan.

Reckon that Johnson is more important. Gun counter attacking key defender is a better fit for a structured side than a freak half forward flanker.
Buddy hasn't really threatened the top 5-10 players in the comp list since 2008, but under Lyon, he'd be a 5 tackle, 3 goal a game forward at a minimum. Him and Mayne in the forwardline would be nigh on unstoppable in terms of forward retention.
 

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Was just going to say, that pick is definitely for Jake Long. It's a tiny tiny win, because Adelaide did get banned from taking father son's last year.

and we can trade into it as ben said
AFL just assumed Adelaide wouldn't need father son availability, as the criteria set up for SANFL qualification is so restrictive, hence why they have yet to get one in their over 20 year existence.
 

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It's about having a generational gap though. Assuming we're happy with the Kav/Merrett/O'Brien/Dalgleish and Daniher/Ashby/Gleeson/Gregory drafts we'll have a solid group of 1993 and 1994 players.
You can add Fletcher to the list. He is a 1993 player.

amirite?
 

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So will our 3rd and 4th round draft picks be calculated on us finishing 9th?

How does the picks for the PSD work?
Good point. Our 3rd and 4th round picks just got a couple better.

God I would love it if we nail an absolute beauty just before Carlton's pick.
 

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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...-stewart-crameri/story-fn69a32t-1226705763660

BRISBANE Lions have entered the race for out-of-contract Essendon forward Stewart Crameri, in a bid to pip the Western Bulldogs.
Brisbane is desperate to fill a key forward void and could yet be hit with the departure of several young talented players, including top-30 draft selections Patrick Karnezis (No.25), Jared Polec (No.5), Sam Docherty (No.12), Billy Longer (No.7) and Elliot Yeo (No.30).

Collingwood is believed to be interested in versatile midfielder-forward Karnezis, who has told the Lions he wants to leave.

Both South Australian clubs are trying to lure slick left-footer Polec, who has had three injury-plagued years at Brisbane.

Gold Coast ruckman Daniel Gorringe, pick No.11 in 2010, could also decide his future next week after putting off contract talks until season's end.

A mid-September deadline looms for the players, which could force them to make a decision before the Lions appoint a new coach.

The Western Bulldogs are in front position to secure Crameri, 24, on a four-year deal estimated at about $450,000 a season.

The Dogs could offer Essendon a second-round selection, about No. 22, for Crameri to bolster an attack that has been fed by a much-improved midfield in the second half of the season.

But the Lions have made inquires about Crameri and could yet mount a more attractive trade package depending on their own player movement.

However, the instability surrounding the Lions' list and a lack of a senior coach would count heavily against any Brisbane proposal.

The Bombers have plans to add teenage big man Joe Daniher into their regular senior forward mix next season, likely forcing out either key forward Crameri or Scott Gumbleton.

Tom Bellchambers wants to re-sign at Essendon but the big ruckman and the Bombers remain some way apart on terms for a two-year deal.

Swans big man Shane Mumford is in Greater Western Sydney's sights to fill its vacant ruck position.

The Bombers have been stripped of their first and second-round draft picks as part of the AFL's supplement punishment, placing extra importance on their trade movements this post-season.

They remain keen on adding another quality midfielder to their list.

The Lions are intent on landing another forward marking target, considering injured spearhead Jonathan Brown's future is undecided and young ruckman-forward Longer is weighing up his options.

Longer, pick No.8 in the 2011 national draft, is yet to recommit to the Lions.

Gorringe is fourth in line in the Suns' ruck stocks behind Zac Smith, Charlie Dixon and Tom Nicholls.
 

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It's about having a generational gap though. Assuming we're happy with the Kav/Merrett/O'Brien/Dalgleish and Daniher/Ashby/Gleeson/Gregory drafts we'll have a solid group of 1993 and 1994 players, then we're really hoping and praying that we get something ok out of 1995 and 1996 before normal service resumes with 1997. There's immense pressure on 3rd round and later picks for two years (although Neagle, Daniher and Long might help that) and even more pressure on what we can get in the 2015 draft. Stuff it up like Essendon did with 1999-2001 (with only Hille and Welsh being of any value at all) and we'll be feeling it in the latter parts of this decade. You simply cannot afford to have a generational gap because it leaves you in a position where there's no kids forcing their way in, and you have to look elsewhere to top up the team - see Mark Alvey, Ty Zantuck and Justin Murphy.

Look at St Kilda - they should be starting to get service from their 3rd-5th year players, but those guys simply don't exist so they're struggling.

This year we saw Merrett force his way into the best 22, next year we're a good chance to see something similar from at least one of Dalgleish, Kavanagh, O'Brien, Browne or Gleeson. Once those names either make it or don't, we've got nothing coming in to replace the Winderlichs, Fletchers, Watsons and Goddards who are starting to decline.

Getting a pick in the 9-22 range (i.e GWS's first or second or the Dogs' second) is absolutely vital for ensuring we keep revitalising the list smoothly. Shrewd trading in the next few years to get 1995-1996 aged guys in will be important too. Looking to trade in a Melksham type after his 3rd year would be the plan.



Buddy hasn't really threatened the top 5-10 players in the comp list since 2008, but under Lyon, he'd be a 5 tackle, 3 goal a game forward at a minimum. Him and Mayne in the forwardline would be nigh on unstoppable in terms of forward retention.

I understand that we need to avoid having the generation gap but given the age of the list and the apparent quality of players born in 93-94 there is going to be more than enough time to get cover from 97 (and there may still be players in the 95-96 range).

Once you are a good side it is much easier to develop quality players. Look at some of the shitful first round recruiting by the Hawks under Clarkson and dearth of impact of first round selections of the Cats in the last 6-7 years.
 

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Exactly. If Essendon want a high first round pick then thats what it will cost for the dogs pick. Now if it's the dogs knocking for Carlisle then we may have to offer something up. But pick 4 wouldn't be far off the mark. No point giving us 3 players we don't need when we need to cut our list of dead wood as it is.
I understand what you're saying, it takes super talent to get super high picks. So it would Have to be someone like Carlisle. We won' t be parting with someone like that, and we have no picks of our won to sweeten any deals so high picks are out of the question for us
 
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I can't see Essendon being a major player when it comes to trading into picks. They will be focusing on a "diamond" in the latter stages of the draft, ie. Garlett
 

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Had a quick go at it so there might be some issues but I think it ends up with a very nice looking team for 2014 and one that would improve on 2013.

Trades:
Trade out: Bellchambers + Pears
Trade in: Pick 1 (Boyd)

Trade out: Crameri
Trade in: Second round pick (WB) or Polec / Longer (Brisbane)

Draft:
Boyd
Garlett
Steinberg (Upgrade)
Dalgleish (Upgrade)

2014 lineup looks something like:

FB: Baguley, Fletcher, Carlisle
HB: Dempsey, Hooker, Hibberd
C: Goddard, Watson, Stanton
HF: Zaharakis, Boyd, Winderlich
FF: Hurley, Daniher, Garlett
R: Ryder, Melksham, Heppell
IC: Myers, Kavanagh, Howlett, Hocking

Pushing for selection: Dalgheish, Browne, Merrett, Hams, Kommer

Alternatives for going all out for Boyd is to let TBC go for Taylor Adams although I'm not completely sold on Adams just yet and to be honest I'd prefer to have bigger midfielders. I haven't really addressed free agency as I'm not sure we'll be an attractive destination after the season we have gone through but we would be negligent if we didn't at least sound out the likes of Dal Santo.
 

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North told Gartlett they will select with their 2nd Pick so unless you can source a higher pick, he will be playing there if he available at their selection.
 
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