List Mgmt. Trade/Draft Talk III - Zaharakis for a SIG BET?

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No because Rockliff is an absolute flog and I do not want someone like him at Essendon.


See above lol.
I really enjoy most your posting weevz, but not your Rockliff bashing. I highly doubt you know him personally. I dare say the Vic media make him out to be more of a bad guy than he is. He actually says what he thinks. I'd prefer a guy like him captain my club then Cotchin. Put Rockliff under Woosha and around Watson and the boys in what we hope will be a winning culture and he will be a gun. I'd take the chance for sure. Especially if we can pull it off by not trading pick 1 or next years 1st
 

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I really enjoy most your posting weevz, but not your Rockliff bashing. I highly doubt you know him personally. I dare say the Vic media make him out to be more of a bad guy than he is. He actually says what he thinks. I'd prefer a guy like him captain my club then Cotchin. Put Rockliff under Woosha and around Watson and the boys in what we hope will be a winning culture and he will be a gun. I'd take the chance for sure. Especially if we can pull it off by not trading pick 1 or next years 1st
We'd get him cheap. Pick 20/29 would get it done I reckon
 

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That is getting screwed. Pick 1 & Hibberd or Pick 1 & the 2017 2nd alone would be enough to get it done. You are also undervaluing Pick 1 for mine too. Essentially what you've proposed is Pick 1 and Pick 8 (which is what Hibberd & the 2017 2nd equals) and Pick 41 for Picks 4 & 6. I'm sorry but that's a laughably bad trade for us.
Points do not apply to us, I couldn't give a toss what point value the picks equal. Hibberd and a mid 2nd do not (since we like bolding words) equal a top 10 pick under any circumstances.

You are absolutely delusional if you think we get screwed in that trade. As I said, a couple of mid 2nds, an early 3rd and a small pick downgrade that doesn't even affect the quality of player we get is a good deal for pick 6. A very good deal actually.

Look at it from a players perspective, Will Brodie/Ben Ainsworth/Tim Taranto vs Joe Atley + Kym LeBois + ??? (Not even going to try and guess someone going in the 2nd round of next years draft). Quality > quantity.
 

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I really enjoy most your posting weevz, but not your Rockliff bashing. I highly doubt you know him personally. I dare say the Vic media make him out to be more of a bad guy than he is. He actually says what he thinks. I'd prefer a guy like him captain my club then Cotchin. Put Rockliff under Woosha and around Watson and the boys in what we hope will be a winning culture and he will be a gun. I'd take the chance for sure. Especially if we can pull it off by not trading pick 1 or next years 1st
I don't know him personally no. Just going off what has been reported in the media (i.e. bullying of younger players, and stabbing coaches in the back , etc.). May very well be a better guy than the media paints him as being, but still not sure I'd want two guys being demonstrative to the young guys we get enough of that from Goddard. If I was looking at him for his on-field potential, yes absolutely get him but its the other stuff that concerns me and it obviously concerns clubs as well as apparently when he tried to shop himself around there wasn't really any interest apparently.

I don't like him as a leader, but as a player yes. Given the off-field stuff I don't think I'd be prepared to give up a top 20 pick for him, regardless of playing ability.
 

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Points do not apply to us, I couldn't give a toss what point value the picks equal. Hibberd and a mid 2nd do not (since we like bolding words) equal a top 10 pick under any circumstances.

You are absolutely delusional if you think we get screwed in that trade. As I said, a couple of mid 2nds, an early 3rd and a small pick downgrade that doesn't even affect the quality of player we get is a good deal for pick 6. A very good deal actually.

Look at it from a players perspective, Will Brodie/Ben Ainsworth/Tim Taranto vs Joe Atley + Kym LeBois + ??? (Not even going to try and guess someone going in the 2nd round of next years draft). Quality > quantity.
I'm not going to even try to explain my point of view here. We clearly aren't going to agree.

Also there's no need to sling insults. Trying to have an open discussion.
 
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I don't know him personally no. Just going off what has been reported in the media (i.e. bullying of younger players, and stabbing coaches in the back , etc.). May very well be a better guy than the media paints him as being, but still not sure I'd want two guys being demonstrative to the young guys we get enough of that from Goddard. If I was looking at him for his on-field potential, yes absolutely get him but its the other stuff that concerns me and it obviously concerns clubs as well as apparently when he tried to shop himself around there wasn't really any interest apparently.

I don't like him as a leader, but as a player yes. Given the off-field stuff I don't think I'd be prepared to give up a top 20 pick for him, regardless of playing ability.
Brisbane had half its young list walk out on them and he went into bat for the club. He's was right on the calls he made about the guys who pissed off after 2 years.

The Goddard call is bullshit aswell. He is well loved around the club...
 

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Well you keep telling up how much of a flog without backing it up , so do I need to repeat myself ?
I've explained myself several times actually. My reasoning comes from the media reports that he apparently bullies other players at the club, and that he's apparently now led player revolts against two coaches which consequently led to those coaches being given the sack.

Now don't get me wrong, from an on-field performance perspective he's a very good player, it's just this other stuff that has me reluctant about the thought of bringing him in.
 
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See any standards at Brisbane of late?
Correct. St Kilda at least had a very decent standard that Goddard helped set.
It wasn't a knock on Goddard, just that the way he is at training is very direct, at least for one of the young blokes - which is apparently similar to the way rockliff goes about it. But having said that BJ is well liked off the field.

Surely can't write off rockliff completely by saying he's a 'flog', id hope our existing standards/leaders would mean he just needs to play footy.

I reckon theres some debate whether he's worth the $$ in the dons side depending on how you view his football and our list needs but id be arguing this rather than simply trashing the blokes character. I think he's possibly gettable for a pick in the 20s.
 

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Brisbane had half its young list walk out on them and he went into bat for the club. He's was right on the calls he made about the guys who pissed off after 2 years.

The Goddard call is bullshit aswell. He is well loved around the club...
Not saying he shouldn't have stood up and backed the club, just saying there's perhaps better ways of getting yourself across than slinging abuse like he apparently does.

I know Goddard is well loved around the club, merely saying that he's had to be reigned in a couple of times due to his on-field demeanour.
 

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Hey guys ill be doing an updated and in-depth Phantom Draft after trade week finishes here is a preview of the 2 favorites for our pick.

Hugh McCluggage
Team: North Ballarat Rebels
Height: 185 Weight: 75
DOB: 3/3/98

TAC Games: 12
AVG Disposals: 28.1
Goals: 25

Player Traits: Scott Pendelbury, Robbie Gray, Garry Ablett Jnr

Bio: Hugh is all class. Makes footy look easy with his clean hands and balance. He can cleanly take a footy in any situation whether that's at his feet, in the air he just never seems to fumble. When he does get his hands on the footy you can expect him to hit a target his hands are super clean and fast for that tight handball and when carrying the footy is balanced and composed(Scott Pendelbury).

The major trait he has is that he just never seems flustered he is always calm and can think ahead of the game. His ability to find the footy in a chain starting from a stoppage in the backline to potentially kicking a goal in the same passage is due to his smart running.

These are all good traits but the main one that has him rated so high is his goalkicking ability. He has a lovely approach to goal staying well balanced and composed with his head over the footy(Garry Ablett Jnr). But he can also do it overhead up forward as well he isn't afraid of flying for a mark and if he doesn't mark it he can keep his feet and continue winning the footy and snapping a goal(Robbie Gray).

Some knocks on his game are his contested ability most comes from his light frame getting bumped of the ball easily from stoppages and doesn't seem to have the hunger to win the contested footy he would rather work of his opponent and receive the football on the outside of his opponent in space. His kicking in general play is tidy and effective at times but it isn't overly penetrating but his kicking is hardly a weakness it just isn't a major strength.

Hugh's footy IQ and goal kicking ability to go with his consistency over the year see's him as a worthy number 1 pick.

Andrew McGrath
Team: Sandringham Dragons
Height: 179 Weight: 75
DOB: 2/6/98

TAC Games: 10
AVG Disposals: 32.4
Goals: 2

Player Traits: Zac Merrett, Jason Johannisen

Bio: Andrew uses his elite pace to his advantage whether that's carrying the footy, chasing for a tackle or spoil he likes to speed up the play. He will take the game on at every opportunity and work hard to win the footy first.

His best trait is his ability both in the midfield and in defense to be able to attack and defend to a high quality. When he gets the footy he will either take the ball under his arm and run or fire a quick and clean handball to the advantage of his teammate then work hard to receive in that chain(Jason Johannisen). When in the midfield he likes to put body on his opponent and once the ball is tapped he will push of and use his elite speed to win the footy first(Zac Merrett).

He will usually switch to defense for a few reasons. For leadership, run and drive if it has been lacking and to stop a dangerous player who is on fire. Not only has he beaten every player he has been sent to but he has also provided meaningful rebound.
Size is an issue but has an elite jump to make up for it. He can rush his kicks sometimes but when he is in full flight he can do some well weighted kicks to advantage.

For a team crying out for leadership, speed and work rate he is the best in the draft and a worthy Top 5 pick.
 

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Hey guys ill be doing an updated and in-depth Phantom Draft after trade week finishes here is a preview of the 2 favorites for our pick.

Hugh McCluggage
Team: North Ballarat Rebels
Height: 185 Weight: 75
DOB: 3/3/98

TAC Games: 12
AVG Disposals: 28.1
Goals: 25

Player Traits: Scott Pendelbury, Robbie Gray, Garry Ablett Jnr

Bio: Hugh is all class. Makes footy look easy with his clean hands and balance. He can cleanly take a footy in any situation whether that's at his feet, in the air he just never seems to fumble. When he does get his hands on the footy you can expect him to hit a target his hands are super clean and fast for that tight handball and when carrying the footy is balanced and composed(Scott Pendelbury).

The major trait he has is that he just never seems flustered he is always calm and can think ahead of the game. His ability to find the footy in a chain starting from a stoppage in the backline to potentially kicking a goal in the same passage is due to his smart running.

These are all good traits but the main one that has him rated so high is his goalkicking ability. He has a lovely approach to goal staying well balanced and composed with his head over the footy(Garry Ablett Jnr). But he can also do it overhead up forward as well he isn't afraid of flying for a mark and if he doesn't mark it he can keep his feet and continue winning the footy and snapping a goal(Robbie Gray).

Some knocks on his game are his contested ability most comes from his light frame getting bumped of the ball easily from stoppages and doesn't seem to have the hunger to win the contested footy he would rather work of his opponent and receive the football on the outside of his opponent in space. His kicking in general play is tidy and effective at times but it isn't overly penetrating but his kicking is hardly a weakness it just isn't a major strength.

Hugh's footy IQ and goal kicking ability to go with his consistency over the year see's him as a worthy number 1 pick.

Andrew McGrath
Team: Sandringham Dragons
Height: 179 Weight: 75
DOB: 2/6/98

TAC Games: 10
AVG Disposals: 32.4
Goals: 2

Player Traits: Zac Merrett, Jason Johannisen

Bio: Andrew uses his elite pace to his advantage whether that's carrying the footy, chasing for a tackle or spoil he likes to speed up the play. He will take the game on at every opportunity and work hard to win the footy first.

His best trait is his ability both in the midfield and in defense to be able to attack and defend to a high quality. When he gets the footy he will either take the ball under his arm and run or fire a quick and clean handball to the advantage of his teammate then work hard to receive in that chain(Jason Johannisen). When in the midfield he likes to put body on his opponent and once the ball is tapped he will push of and use his elite speed to win the footy first(Zac Merrett).

He will usually switch to defense for a few reasons. For leadership, run and drive if it has been lacking and to stop a dangerous player who is on fire. Not only has he beaten every player he has been sent to but he has also provided meaningful rebound.
Size is an issue but has an elite jump to make up for it. He can rush his kicks sometimes but when he is in full flight he can do some well weighted kicks to advantage.

For a team crying out for leadership, speed and work rate he is the best in the draft and a worthy Top 5 pick.
Cheers Cal, love your work.
 

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All this talk about Rockliff - if we got him who misses out each week? Is that person likely to then leave in search of opportunities? Is he the difference between making a run at a premiership or not? He'll also be 27 next year. Is that a fair use of whatever his salary would be, or should we be using that money to get someone that complements our young group and can continue to do so in 5 years time?

I'd rather have a premiership team in 2021 than a team that falls out of finals year after next. I'm not saying Rockliff is necessarily the difference between the two, or that we can't have both. But we need to have a strategy in place, rather than chasing random free agents just because they're decent-ish players without considering where they actually fit in the list.
 

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Dont want McGrath if he's only good at being athletic.
If he was only athletic he wouldn't be a contender for the number 1 pick. There is plenty of footage online of him. Go and watch some footage and see for yourself why he is so highly rated.
 

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All this talk about Rockliff - if we got him who misses out each week? Is that person likely to then leave in search of opportunities? Is he the difference between making a run at a premiership or not? He'll also be 27 next year. Is that a fair use of whatever his salary would be, or should we be using that money to get someone that complements our young group and can continue to do so in 5 years time?

I'd rather have a premiership team in 2021 than a team that falls out of finals year after next. I'm not saying Rockliff is necessarily the difference between the two, or that we can't have both. But we need to have a strategy in place, rather than chasing random free agents just because they're decent-ish players without considering where they actually fit in the list.
What's the talk re:rockcliff? Are we interested?
 
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