Recruiting Trade/Draft Talk III - Zaharakis for a SIG BET?

[eDPS]

Yeah and you can add Marty Gleeson as a bonus find for us outside the top 50 in 2012.

Out of GWS's 17 top 50 picks in that period, 16 of them came in the top 14 across 2011-2012. Insane.

Yep it's no suprise it's also crazy that a lot of their guns have gone to other clubs and they still have a gun young list, the club would be dissapointed if they don't play in the grand final this year

 

[eth-dog]

Yep it's no suprise it's also crazy that a lot of their guns have gone to other clubs and they still have a gun young list, the club would be dissapointed if they don't play in the grand final this year

Yep, and now that Tomlinson fills that 2nd key defender role their biggest weakness is plugged.

 

[DraftMe]

Ok, I think I've reached where I'm going with this. Final rankings based on % of picks that turned out to be big successes as well as the % of picks that turned out to be failures.

Let's call it: Which clubs are the best at identifying talent? (between 2008-2012)

1. Western Bulldogs
=1. Essendon
=1. Hawthorn
4. Fremantle
5. GWS
6. Sydney
7. Adelaide
8. Port Adelaide
9. Brisbane

10. Melbourne
11. Gold Coast
=11. Richmond
=11. West Coast
14. Collingwood
15. Geelong
=15. North Melbourne
17. St Kilda
18. Carlton

 

[eth-dog]

Honestly I doubt it matters. The most important one is the flag. So from 2008 onwards the only sides that have won are Hawthorn, Geelong, Collingwood, Sydney and Footscray.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

18. Carlton

I thought this was just hate but I checked it out. Holy s**t. 08 wasn't bad but after that they found about 3 AFL quality players across the next 4 drafts.

 

[doug85]

I thought this was just hate but I checked it out. Holy s**t. 08 wasn't bad but after that they found about 3 AFL quality players across the next 4 drafts.

Carltons drafting has been stunningly bad for the better part of a decade.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Ok, I think I've reached where I'm going with this. Final rankings based on % of picks that turned out to be big successes as well as the % of picks that turned out to be failures.

Let's call it: Which clubs are the best at identifying talent? (between 2008-2012)

1. Western Bulldogs
=1. Essendon
=1. Hawthorn
4. Fremantle
5. GWS
6. Sydney
7. Adelaide
8. Port Adelaide
9. Brisbane

10. Melbourne
11. Gold Coast
=11. Richmond
=11. West Coast
14. Collingwood
15. Geelong
=15. North Melbourne
17. St Kilda
18. Carlton

This depends on what you call a success or failure.

There's some players who are absolutely justified on being 1st round picks who suffer a freak injury, is that a failure of recruiting or is it just bad luck?

 

[DraftMe]

Honestly I doubt it matters. The most important one is the flag. So from 2008 onwards the only sides that have won are Hawthorn, Geelong, Collingwood, Sydney and Footscray.

You don't think it's telling that the last 4 premierships have been won by 2 of the equal best teams at drafting talent from 2008-2012?

 

[DraftMe]

I thought this was just hate but I checked it out. Holy s**t. 08 wasn't bad but after that they found about 3 AFL quality players across the next 4 drafts.

Carltons drafting has been stunningly bad for the better part of a decade.

Haha no hate, just facts.

Their failures include: Tom Temay (pick 35), Josh Bootsma (pick 22), Matthew Watson (Pick 18), Patrick McCarty (pick 34), Luke Mitchell (pick 42), Kane Lucas (pick 12) and Marcus Davies (pick 43).

Their only big successes in that period were Sam Rowe and Mitch Robinson. The picks that turned out OK were Troy Menzel and Chris Yarran. Sam Rowe the only one still at Carlton.

 

[DraftMe]

This depends on what you call a success or failure.

There's some players who are absolutely justified on being 1st round picks who suffer a freak injury, is that a failure of recruiting or is it just bad luck?

I based it on games played and put them in 3 categories: big successes, turned out OK, and failed picks.

Only a couple of high picks stand out to me as having injury as the no.1 excuse and that's Anthony Morabito and Daniel Menzel. I ruled out Jayden Pitt from the numbers completely because of retiring early with a heart condition.

 

[carnthedons]

I had a look at which clubs stuffed up the most top 50 picks in recent times (the 5 year period between the 2008-2012 drafts). It is too early to judge the classes of 2013 and beyond yet.

Clubs took an average of 14 top 50 picks in that period. This is the % of club's picks that have failed to have a decent AFL career.

Worst Teams
Carlton @ 64%
North Melbourne @ 60%

Best Teams
Sydney @ 33%
GWS @ 35%

We sit better than average at 42%.

Not sure where I'm going with this but thought it might interest some people.

While it's too early to judge the last couple, they look certain to improve our strike rate with a little cherry of Raz in the mid 50s

 

[Milanista28]

Think this shows we are a good drafting club now but still a lot of work to do in the trading area. Hopefully Stewart is that big win we need.

 

[Runk]

I've been away for a month and we're still talking about trades?

Embrace the pre-season gang.

 

[ant555]

I defer to your expertise, but I think a huge amount rests on how Stewart performs. He seems exactly the type of player the team needs for balance, so if he blossoms we're laughing, but if not there's still a need for a young, genuine relief ruck who's also at home up forward.

I agree. Stewart or Bellchambers need to prove they can play a role and will be a massive bonus if they can.
My comments are more along the line i think we have a much better potential attack at this stage that will kick a lot more goals. Right now i would be looking towards next years draft rather than looking for trades.

 

[eth-dog]

What we need really is two blokes that can get between 60 and 80 goals between them, along with Joey kicking 50-70 goals.

 

[SherbertLemon]

Their only big successes in that period were Sam Rowe and Mitch Robinson. The picks that turned out OK were Troy Menzel and Chris Yarran. Sam Rowe the only one still at Carlton.

wtf lol

 

[SherbertLemon]

I've been away for a month and we're still talking about trades?

Embrace the pre-season gang.

So apparently we're having our most intense preseason ever!

 

[DraftMe]

wtf lol

They were both picked in the 40's and have played a combined 215 AFL games. About 70% of picks between 40-50 fail to have an AFL career. That is a big success relative to where they were picked.

 

[Skipper_]

What we need really is two blokes that can get between 60 and 80 goals between them, along with Joey kicking 50-70 goals.

Hooker and Fantasia.

 

[carnthedons]

What we need really is two blokes that can get between 60 and 80 goals between them, along with Joey kicking 50-70 goals.

How many teams actually have that though? Adelaide now and Hawthorn in recent times maybe?

 

[eth-dog]

Hooker and Fantasia.

I meant as the 2nd and 3rd talls...

How many teams actually have that though? Adelaide now and Hawthorn in recent times maybe?

Patton and Lobb got there for GWS last year too.

 

[carnthedons]

I meant as the 2nd and 3rd talls...

Patton and Lobb got there for GWS last year too.

Lobb kicked 29 in 24 games (same as Raz did in less games)

Patton kicked 38 in 23

So they didn't even get close

 

[carnthedons]

Further to that, only 8 players in the entire comp kicked over 50 goals last year

 

[Towno78]

Haha no hate, just facts.

Their failures include: Tom Temay (pick 35), Josh Bootsma (pick 22), Matthew Watson (Pick 18), Patrick McCarty (pick 34), Luke Mitchell (pick 42), Kane Lucas (pick 12) and Marcus Davies (pick 43).

Their only big successes in that period were Sam Rowe and Mitch Robinson. The picks that turned out OK were Troy Menzel and Chris Yarran. Sam Rowe the only one still at Carlton.

You may have already, but can you list where you ranked ours?

 

[EnolaGay]

Further to that, only 8 players in the entire comp kicked over 50 goals last year

Eth meant 60-80 goals combined, not each.

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