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Scary thing for me (I don't rate him) is that if I am not mistaken I remember Hine saying that Tippett was one pick that he regrets.

He was going to rookie list him I think.

Not 100% on that and someone with better knowledge might be able to confirm that.
Yep. He's aired his regrets publicly a few times.

Missed him twice, actually. 2005 in the rookie draft, supposedly overlooking him on Malthouse's orders (for Shannon Cox! :eek::oops::$) and again in the 2006 national draft (took Dawes at 28, Tippett went at 32 to the Crows)...
 

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Yep. He's aired his regrets publicly a few times.

Missed him twice, actually. 2005 in the rookie draft, supposedly overlooking him on Malthouse's orders (for Shannon Cox! :eek::oops::$) and again in the 2006 national draft (took Dawes at 28, Tippett went at 32 to the Crows)...
Third time (un)lucky you reckon MB?
 

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Snoop Dog you had suggested we have been into a tall forward for a while. Does the bolded mean we / they have gone cold or just your opinion regards direction?
Just from what I hear.

I think the strategy that may get some traction later in the year is bringing in Sam Reid as a FA and keeping the draft pick in the hope we might be in the mix for a quality young key tall such as Brander. The alternative is throw the sink at a Wright or Schache but we are going to have to give a lot for them so you might be better off waiting and getting Sam Reid to play a role. Sam plays the way Bucks wants his forward line to operate so whilst he is hot and cold at Sydney I think they would be drawn to him.

The outlier could be Patton. I just wonder if it came down to $$ would GWS part with him to help keep Kelly and Co. Also not convinced that Jack Darling isnt gettable as well. Josh Bruce might also be one towards year end that gets talked about.

As you know I take a keen interest in draft etc and the one that got away was Ben Brown. He was an obvious one and would be perfect for us.
 

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Just from what I hear.

I think the strategy that may get some traction later in the year is bringing in Sam Reid as a FA and keeping the draft pick in the hope we might be in the mix for a quality young key tall such as Brander. The alternative is throw the sink at a Wright or Schache but we are going to have to give a lot for them so you might be better off waiting and getting Sam Reid to play a role. Sam plays the way Bucks wants his forward line to operate so whilst he is hot and cold at Sydney I think they would be drawn to him.

The outlier could be Patton. I just wonder if it came down to $$ would GWS part with him to help keep Kelly and Co. Also not convinced that Jack Darling isnt gettable as well. Josh Bruce might also be one towards year end that gets talked about.

As you know I take a keen interest in draft etc and the one that got away was Ben Brown. He was an obvious one and would be perfect for us.
Patton signed a long term contract about 2 months ago
 

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If we add this guy
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We could be paying over $1,000,000 p.a combined, for 2 forwards who cannot get a game or kick goals.
Wouldn't the media love that...
At least Schache has the potential (and is extremely likely) to improve. We all knew we'd seen the best of Mayne before he was recruited, and Tippett is in the same boat. Old, expensive, and his best footy is behind him already.
 

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At least Schache has the potential (and is extremely likely) to improve. We all knew we'd seen the best of Mayne before he was recruited, and Tippett is in the same boat. Old, expensive, and his best footy is behind him already.
I can name quite a few who didn't and unfortunately for us some of them work in our FD :thumbsdown:

It's the main reason I'll always scoff at anyone that states they know best by virtue of working for the club!
 

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At least Schache has the potential (and is extremely likely) to improve. We all knew we'd seen the best of Mayne before he was recruited, and Tippett is in the same boat. Old, expensive, and his best footy is behind him already.
I agree 100%, although I'm still worried (if rumours correct) that we would pay up to $700,000 for an unproven talent...potential yes...but at that price?
 

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Latest reports have clubs cooling on him and offering nowhere near that number.
I think he'll jump ship regardless of the money which is what I believe the chasing clubs are starting to cotton on to rather than form concerns.

If the offer drops into the $400k range I'd become more comfortable. Even though I'd still struggle to be happy with that I do expect there to be inflationary pressures from the chasing clubs. Then it's simply a matter of finding that selection in the 10-15 range.

I don't think it's the best outcome for us (I prefer having a known quantity stepping in whilst a newly drafted KPF develops in the two's), but it's at least a bankable outcome v the shit shute that is the draft without trading on the day.
 

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Sam Reid has gotten plenty of discussion in this thread. One argument that gets thrown up is that his average goal tally would be significantly higher if it weren't for his time in defense. So I crunched some numbers. Sam Reid has played 108 games for 109 goals, averaging just over a goal a game. In his 108 games he has played in defense on 17 occasions. Remembering some of those games were split forward as well. That means from the 91 games he has played forward he averages just under 1.2 goals a game.

Another interesting fact is that he has missed 46 games through injury, 11 to achilles, 10 to hamstrings, 15 to quads, 9 to calfs and 1 to a hip. With the exception of his hip each of those injuries has recurred.
Sam Reid would command 600k on the open market, for me the talent is there but simply another player that just can't be trusted to be consistent or stay injury free, I would be looking elsewhere.
 

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I think he'll jump ship regardless of the money which is what I believe the chasing clubs are starting to cotton on to rather than form concerns.

If the offer drops into the $400k range I'd become more comfortable. Even though I'd still struggle to be happy with that I do expect there to be inflationary pressures from the chasing clubs. Then it's simply a matter of finding that selection in the 10-15 range.

I don't think it's the best outcome for us (I prefer having a known quantity stepping in whilst a newly drafted KPF develops in the two's), but it's at least a bankable outcome v the shit shute that is the draft without trading on the day.
Agree 100%. And really with the new CBA coming in $400k is barely above average, which would pretty much be the minimum expectation for a former pick 2 KPF signing his second contract.

Not sure the Lions would accept a pick outside the top 10 though, at least not by itself. I'd be comfortable enough if we ended up with a pick in the late top 10 to trade it for Schache, but if we end up with pick 5-6 again which is likely I'd be loathe to trade it out.
 

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Agree 100%. And really with the new CBA coming in $400k is barely above average, which would pretty much be the minimum expectation for a former pick 2 KPF signing his second contract.

Not sure the Lions would accept a pick outside the top 10 though, at least not by itself. I'd be comfortable enough if we ended up with a pick in the late top 10 to trade it for Schache, but if we end up with pick 5-6 again which is likely I'd be loathe to trade it out.
That's the crux of it really. His worth isn't in the top 10, but Brisbane will demand it despite knowing full well it's not his worth as is their right because we'd all hope Collingwood would do the same.

Then it becomes a case of how badly we want him. Say we have pick 7 (what we've had the previous two years) I'm not offering that for him and I'd take my chances in the draft. You then weigh up what's available at that pick and if he's the best KPF available then happy days take him, but if he's gone it also increases our odds of landing an U18 KPF.

Looking at it objectively at pick 7 you'd have Brisbane, GC, Sydney, North, St Kilda & Carlton selecting ahead of us with 3-4 KPF's in the mix at the pointy end of the draft (Brander, Hayes, Fogarty and Ballenden) plus Schache. Of those clubs only Sydney and Brisbane would be prioritising talls, IMO, with the others in reasonable shape with their spines so there's really a limited need for us to offer anything inside the top 10, IMO.

Despite it being a shit shute it's a numbers game and I'm not keen to see us giving our opposition a leg up because a top 5 pick almost guarantees them a second live pick before Ballenden is bid on...
 
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I agree 100%, although I'm still worried (if rumours correct) that we would pay up to $700,000 for an unproven talent...potential yes...but at that price?
I like to think that rumours of clubs going cold make a lot more sense. Bring in Tippet, get the best available KPP with our first pick. They probably think McLarty is a better KPF/KPD than Schache anyway, plus there's this McCarthy dewd.
 

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That's the crux of it really. His worth isn't in the top 10, but Brisbane will demand it despite knowing full well it's not his worth as is their right because we'd all hope Collingwood would do the same.

Then it becomes a case of how badly we want him. Say we have pick 7 (what we've had the previous two years) I'm not offering that for him and I'd take my chances in the draft. You then weigh up what's available at that pick and if he's the best KPF available then happy days take him, but if he's gone it also increases our odds of landing an U18 KPF.

Looking at it objectively at pick 7 you'd have Brisbane, GC, Sydney, North, St Kilda & Carlton selecting ahead of us with 3-4 KPF's in the mix at the pointy end of the draft (Brander, Hayes, Fogarty and Ballenden) plus Schache. Of those clubs only Sydney and Brisbane would be prioritising talls, IMO, with the others in reasonable shape with their spines so there's really a limited need for us to offer anything inside the top 10, IMO.

Despite it being a shit shute it's a numbers game and I'm not keen to see us giving our opposition a leg up because a top 5 pick almost guarantees them a second live pick before Ballenden is bid on...
Yep, and in regards to the last line, that's exactly what Brisbane posters in the Schache thread on the drafts board are angling for, even if they won't admit it and are adamant he's still 'worth' a top 5 pick. I can't imagine that they'd be happy with pick 20+21 for example, instead of pick 5 because it's a points equivalent like they were with Aish, but that could well be the type of trade they have to swallow depending on Schaches destination.

With Ballenden available to them as well, I think that they'll prioritise a mid with their first pick, and I'd wager they'll take Fogarty at this point given his ability to pretty much play any part of the ground except ruck. Which means Brander will be available to us or the Swans. Of course, if Sutherland decides to choose footy over cricket that throws another variable in, given he's been mooted as a potential number 1 pick.
 

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I would have a look at Tom Lynch from Adelaide before I sigh Sam Reid.

It would probably take a fair bit of prying though, since he's apart of their leadership group (I think) but he plays 3rd fiddle over there and McGovern and Otten are both starting to present themselves as forwards.
 

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Yep, and in regards to the last line, that's exactly what Brisbane posters in the Schache thread on the drafts board are angling for, even if they won't admit it and are adamant he's still 'worth' a top 5 pick. I can't imagine that they'd be happy with pick 20+21 for example, instead of pick 5 because it's a points equivalent like they were with Aish, but that could well be the type of trade they have to swallow depending on Schaches destination.

With Ballenden available to them as well, I think that they'll prioritise a mid with their first pick, and I'd wager they'll take Fogarty at this point given his ability to pretty much play any part of the ground except ruck. Which means Brander will be available to us or the Swans. Of course, if Sutherland decides to choose footy over cricket that throws another variable in, given he's been mooted as a potential number 1 pick.
That was my feel on their ambit claims as well and I bet they wouldn't cop those later picks in tandem!

Overall I think it might even be best for us if he re-signs because it lessens their need to go taller, reduces our chances of overpaying and moves closer to my desire of a stop gap with a newly drafted KPF developing underneath.

Sutherland is definitely the wild card. I'm on the Fogarty train myself, but if Will chooses footy it leaves us with even greater flexibility.
 

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If we add this guy
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We could be paying over $1,000,000 p.a combined, for 2 forwards who cannot get a game or kick goals.
Wouldn't the media love that...
The difference being that Schache is a 2nd year player, who was playing in a bad side with no experienced forwards, taking the top defender every week as a teenager with little development.

The media are ridiculous, but even they would surely know that any money spent on Schache was being spent on potential and I believe he'd improve pretty quickly in our forward line with Moore and Elliot down there already.
 

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That was my feel on their ambit claims as well and I bet they wouldn't cop those later picks in tandem!

Overall I think it might even be best for us if he re-signs because it lessens their need to go taller, reduces our chances of overpaying and moves closer to my desire of a stop gap with a newly drafted KPF developing underneath.

Sutherland is definitely the wild card. I'm on the Fogarty train myself, but if Will chooses footy it leaves us with even greater flexibility.
I like Fogarty too, I think that he could fill an immediate need up forward and push in to the midfield later on similar to Roughead over the journey, but I think he'll be gone by our pick too unless the landscape shifts dramatically over the next couple of months.
 

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Mitch McGovern is a monty to join Jeremy next year so it might be worth locking in on Darling to see if we can shake him loose!
Freo would be all over that if possible surely?

Would love Darling, he'd be a great deep foil for Moore.

But does he kick enough goals?
 
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Freo would be all over that if possible surely?

Would love Darling, he'd be a great deep foil for Moore.
Wants to play with his brother AFAIK. Think Beams to Brisbane type scenario where the Dockers don't even get a look in. I think Darling would be fantastic too, but it'd take a fair offer money and pick wise to dislodge him (I assume he's contracted).

Ponder this one. S Reid as a FA and Darling for our first selection. Keep B Reid up front and throw S Reid down back and we instantly have a quality spine to match our strong midfield! If we were to pull it off and made a coaching change I'd have us as a top 4 chance.
 

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Wants to play with his brother AFAIK. Think Beams to Brisbane type scenario where the Dockers don't even get a look in. I think Darling would be fantastic too, but it'd take a fair offer money and pick wise to dislodge him (I assume he's contracted).

Ponder this one. S Reid as a FA and Darling for our first selection. Keep B Reid up front and throw S Reid down back and we instantly have a quality spine to match our strong midfield! If we were to pull it off and made a coaching change I'd have us as a top 4 chance.
Yep this is what I'd like to see. Don't trade the kitchen sink for anyone this year if we miss the eight. Be pragmatic, we trade for Schache if we make the finals. Darling shouldn't be too expansive, in fact I'd rather give him a miss. I'm not even sold on Sam Reid, it's the idea that I like.
 

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Wants to play with his brother AFAIK. Think Beams to Brisbane type scenario where the Dockers don't even get a look in. I think Darling would be fantastic too, but it'd take a fair offer money and pick wise to dislodge him (I assume he's contracted).

Ponder this one. S Reid as a FA and Darling for our first selection. Keep B Reid up front and throw S Reid down back and we instantly have a quality spine to match our strong midfield! If we were to pull it off and made a coaching change I'd have us as a top 4 chance.
I meant Freo with Darling.

Can't say I've seen much of Reid back so can't judge that one. Is he any good there?

A forward line of Reid, Darling and Moore. I can't see a role for Fasolo there. He'd be on the move surely.
 
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