List Mgmt. Trade & F.A. 2017 (if a scenario sounds wrong - read on before posting)

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When I first read the May rumour I wasn't impressed. After thinking about it for a while I think securing both him and Sam Reid could actually be the best option.

Previously my preferred option would of been for the club to take a seasoned KPF(Reid) as a free agent and draft a young one with their first pick. That would solve the forward line issues but down the track could leave the club in a similiar position in terms of KPD's as they currently face concerning KPF's.

That problem is that both Ben Reid and Dunn are approaching the end of their careers and when they have both retired then who replaces them? If McClarty comes on(I'm liking his progress at this stage) then the club still needs another. If they draft that player and they prove up to the level then in a decade or so both that player and McClarty will be approaching retirement and the club will be in the same position of having to find two starting AFL KPD's. Acquiring a player like May who is in the middle of their career and is a known quantity avoids this problem. Sam Reid's signature replicates this solution up forward.

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Prime

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B.Reid

S.Reid

Moore

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Dunn

May

McClarty


As for cost I would have no issue with the club trading either this or next years first rounder for May.

Finally on suggestions of trading either Sidebottom or DeGoey I'm against it unless either of them want out or the club is getting serious overs in return. Yes the club has serious depth in the midfield but not so much that it can go trading away players of their calibre. Regardless I believe the club would consider Sidebottom untouchable, however I'm not so confident that those sentiments extend to DeGoey.
 

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Except the dual sidedness. Brown had an excellent left peg, Whites is non existant.
Yep. But both flawed, both with pro's and cons. And we are comparing a top 10 draft pick with a guy overlooked in his draft year and taken late the following year as a project player, yet all in all, not much in it.
 
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Nothing to do with the trade rumour just interesting history.

Steven May is another young fella from Southern Districts, Darwin NT.

There was a golden generation of footballers that graced the club in the 90's. Now the kids are playing AFL football. The names include May, Parfitt, Cockatoo and Motlop.

Would love Steven May at CFC, just don't see it happening!
 

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Nothing to do with the trade rumour just interesting history.

Steven May is another young fella from Southern Districts, Darwin NT.

There was a golden generation of footballers that graced the club in the 90's. Now the kids are playing AFL football. The names include May, Parfitt, Cockatoo and Motlop.

Would love Steven May at CFC, just don't see it happening!
That sounds Geelongish nooooo
 

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It's an area of oversupply so finding midfield options that have realistic appeal to other clubs is going to be easier. None of the developing mids have more currency than DeGoey.
Bet nobody is advocating moving on a Treloar?
Assuming so, no Treloar trading,
Why would we move on our potential real talent? Like De Goey?

Ps De Goey is not Treloar today; but besides Treloar, De Goey is the only player (sorry Pendlebury has missed on this possibility but always elite too) we have that could (if played in the middle which will happen in time) win a Brownlow. Mids that get hard balls, knock up getting possessions give the Brownlow a shake.
To me you just don't move on such talent.

Ofcourse he'll have to do it, but you build for A grade and elite talent so don't get giving it up in the hope you get someone a bit taller. Not for me.
 

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Bet nobody is advocating moving on a Treloar?
Assuming so, no Treloar trading,
Why would we move on our potential real talent? Like De Goey?

Ps De Goey is not Treloar today; but besides Treloar, De Goey is the only player (sorry Pendlebury has missed on this possibility but always elite too) we have that could (if played in the middle which will happen in time) win a Brownlow. Mids that get hard balls, knock up getting possessions give the Brownlow a shake.
To me you just don't move on such talent.

Ofcourse he'll have to do it, but you build for A grade and elite talent so don't get giving it up in the hope you get someone a bit taller. Not for me.
Grundy will win a Brownlow!

With Degoey, I don't get the fuss, I just see a good average player - and not in the Jack Dyer sense.
 

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Grundy will win a Brownlow!

With Degoey, I don't get the fuss, I just see a good average player - and not in the Jack Dyer sense.
Rucks just don't seem to get the votes as they did till say 15 to 20 years ago.
So I just can't see multiple votes going Grundys way.

De Goey is just a hard ball beast type, real toughness at the ball. Once he becomes regular in the middle he will be something else. Hes not far away.
Different to Swan ofcourse, but he reminds me of the perfect replacement.
 

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Rucks just don't seem to get the votes as they did till say 15 to 20 years ago.
So I just can't see multiple votes going Grundys way.

De Goey is just a hard ball beast type, real toughness at the ball. Once he becomes regular in the middle he will be something else. Hes not far away.
Different to Swan ofcourse, but he reminds me of the perfect replacement.
Degoey as a mid is fast becoming a Danny Stanley 'clearances for the people' type of situation on this board. I hope you're right, but I think he'll develop from an average forward flanker to a good forward flanker. I just don't think he's got the game sense/play reading/awareness of whats going on around him to become a gun mid.
 

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Bet nobody is advocating moving on a Treloar?
Assuming so, no Treloar trading,
Why would we move on our potential real talent? Like De Goey?

Ps De Goey is not Treloar today; but besides Treloar, De Goey is the only player (sorry Pendlebury has missed on this possibility but always elite too) we have that could (if played in the middle which will happen in time) win a Brownlow. Mids that get hard balls, knock up getting possessions give the Brownlow a shake.
To me you just don't move on such talent.

Ofcourse he'll have to do it, but you build for A grade and elite talent so don't get giving it up in the hope you get someone a bit taller. Not for me.
I'd didn't suggest I was advocating for trading Jordie.
 

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When I first read the May rumour I wasn't impressed. After thinking about it for a while I think securing both him and Sam Reid could actually be the best option.

Previously my preferred option would of been for the club to take a seasoned KPF(Reid) as a free agent and draft a young one with their first pick. That would solve the forward line issues but down the track could leave the club in a similiar position in terms of KPD's as they currently face concerning KPF's.

That problem is that both Ben Reid and Dunn are approaching the end of their careers and when they have both retired then who replaces them? If McClarty comes on(I'm liking his progress at this stage) then the club still needs another. If they draft that player and they prove up to the level then in a decade or so both that player and McClarty will be approaching retirement and the club will be in the same position of having to find two starting AFL KPD's. Acquiring a player like May who is in the middle of their career and is a known quantity avoids this problem. Sam Reid's signature replicates this solution up forward.

Position

Veteran

Prime

Developing

Forwards

B.Reid

S.Reid

Moore

Defenders

Dunn

May

McClarty


As for cost I would have no issue with the club trading either this or next years first rounder for May.

Finally on suggestions of trading either Sidebottom or DeGoey I'm against it unless either of them want out or the club is getting serious overs in return. Yes the club has serious depth in the midfield but not so much that it can go trading away players of their calibre. Regardless I believe the club would consider Sidebottom untouchable, however I'm not so confident that those sentiments extend to DeGoey.
S Reid currently in his prime.....that worries me.

Unless we get him for peanuts, I wouldn't touch the guy. He is ordinary. He's actually done nothing in his career. Maybe 2 or 3 games where he has kicked goals, but overall, he is an ordinary footballer. Can't see how this is going to change coming to the Pies.
 

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What's Sam Reid's accuracy in front of goal like? I have an inkling that it's shaky at best, but not entirely sure. If we ended up with another momentum killing key forward like Cloke i'd not be particularly thrilled...

If he's even slightly above average I say go for it. Then i'd be happy to give our first round (and probably a little extra, Greenwood?) on May. That would have our spine looking pretty damn solid. Then we can look at drafting another KPF next year.

Gives us the options of May, Dunn, Shade and McLarty down back. And B Reid, S Reid and Moore up front. Given both the Reids can play either end it would give us great flexibility, and ability to cope with injury.

It fixes our deficiencies right now, rather than 4-5 years down the track when a drafted KPF would come into his own, and Pendles, Reid etc will be either less effective or retired. Also makes out age profile look a whole lot less lopsided in the spine.

Get it done Pies!
 
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16 of the 18 clubs have their players contracts beyond 2017 tied to the CBA so try again. I have the vision that we can do it and that it would set us up nicely, but not without that sacrifice.
 

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How sure are we that the CBA will be done this year? I remember people mentioning that it would be done in the first few rounds. However its bye time and not much as happened
 

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Don't really understand the hype on S Reid.
He has been a disappointment over his career. The guy is not the type of player who runs hard and makes things happen. Everything basically needs to go right for him to have a reasonable game. His numbers (when he isn't injured), don't stack up. We are better off finding a workhorse to support Moore unless we target one of the best KPP.

Alternatively we change the way we play and have a smaller/medium sized forward line just like the premiers.

May is a good player, but I wouldn't be giving up an early (top 10) 1st round pick for a fullback regardless how good he is. They don't win you games. You pick them up in free agency, or draft in the 2nd or 3rd round, or search for them in one of the other leagues (late maturity).

Id rather use a top 5 or 10 pick on a key forward or a running player.
 

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Don't really understand the hype on S Reid.
He has been a disappointment over his career. The guy is not the type of player who runs hard and makes things happen. Everything basically needs to go right for him to have a reasonable game. His numbers (when he isn't injured), don't stack up. We are better off finding a workhorse to support Moore unless we target one of the best KPP.

Alternatively we change the way we play and have a smaller/medium sized forward line just like the premiers.

May is a good player, but I wouldn't be giving up an early (top 10) 1st round pick for a fullback regardless how good he is. They don't win you games. You pick them up in free agency, or draft in the 2nd or 3rd round, or search for them in one of the other leagues (late maturity).

Id rather use a top 5 or 10 pick on a key forward or a running player.
Fullbacks are just as important as key forwards these days.
Rance probably saves as many goals as Riewoldt kicks for the whole year.
 

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I hear you, but I think Rance and McGovern for instance do a lot of work further up in the background with their marking and even starting the rebound. Not sure if May is the same. I get the impression he is more the traditional full back without the flexibility of the other guys. However, I'm happy to admit I'm wrong if that isn't the case.
 

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I hear you, but I think Rance and McGovern for instance do a lot of work further up in the background with their marking and even starting the rebound. Not sure if May is the same. I get the impression he is more the traditional full back without the flexibility of the other guys. However, I'm happy to admit I'm wrong if that isn't the case.
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These are the averages is Rance and May 2016. Rance was AA. His stats on the left.
 
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