List Mgmt. Trade & F.A. 2017 (if a scenario sounds wrong - read on before posting)

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Richmond is a great example of a team which has built cohesion over the past 2 years, but they have also had a dream run at it this year. There is just a feeling of destiny about it all.

They literally only have 1 player on the injury list which is unbelievable considering the time of the year. They also got a dream draw for finishing so low last year.

If we can somehow buck our injury trend, we can be similarly placed as we'll get a favourable draw you would think given our bottom 6 finish.

The other thing is that pressure is seemingly the key these days. The Doggies won a flag last year based purely on fanatic pressure. Richmond are going about their footy similarly. The Dogs dropped of this year because their pressure dropped 5% and they lost momentum. It was enough for them to drop out of the 8 completely.

It just shows that the talent on your list isn't necessarily the be all and end all...there's also elements of luck, timing and good player management.

To be perfectly honest, I don't think Richmond's list or the Doggies list are the best in the AFL. But they have had momentum and have played at a high level of intensity.

At our best, we can play at this level, we just haven't shown it consistently.

I'd be more than happy to just use our pick 6 this year on Fogarty and throw everything at Tom Lynch next year. I reckon cohesion is the way to go. We've had so many list changes over the past few years, it's time to just settle it down a bit and give the list the chance to gel and build that momentum.
I would love the pies to pick up fogarty, if brander isn't there
 

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There was some dude on SEN earlier this year who said the best teams were those who had played a lot together. It was a common thread over the last decade of GF teams. Pretty sure he said Richmond were destined to click in 2017.
Yeh he was selling a software package to help with recruiting, he identified teams on up and slide. Said we would finish where we did. Revolved around the importance of eperience and especially shared experience. Games played together.
His program worked on all elite team sports.
Through out a lot of evidence!
Said some clubs were using it.
 

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Yeh he was selling a software package to help with recruiting, he identified teams on up and slide. Said we would finish where we did. Revolved around the importance of eperience and especially shared experience. Games played together.
His program worked on all elite team sports.
Through out a lot of evidence!
Said some clubs were using it.
Yeah, sounded pretty compelling. Fairly decent sample size. I guess it all comes down to predictability and knowing your teammates movements, pace, strength, ability. Being there long enough to understand the plan and to put it into practice. Makes sense I think.
 

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It's changed back again. They seem to be testing a new site format today. It's awful.
They've been testing it for ages. I tried it a few weeks back and didn't last ten minutes. Hope it doesn't become permanent.

Although I said the same thing when this format first game in :p
 
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It's changed back again. They seem to be testing a new site format today. It's awful.
They've been testing it for ages. I tried it a few weeks back and didn't last ten minutes. Hope it doesn't become permanent.

Although I said the same thing when this format first game in :p
If you look down the bottom left, just above the black stripe it will say cool, slick or warm.
Click on it and you can change the format to whatever you like.
 

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Have to disagree, Steele has been and will be for a few more years one of our top performers, Philips is not in Steele's class, at least not yet. Still chalk and cheese, especially when potential is only that, it needs to be realised. I hope one day you're right because we will have something but not now.


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On the whole I'm not interested in comparing the two at all because Phillips won't ever reach Steele's level for the reasons I outlined in my post and it's largely irrelevant when discussing their respective trade values.

Steele if traded to St Kilda could generate us pick 8 and Savage, IMO. Phillips might generate a 2018 2nd round pick or a player exchange. Pick 8 allows us a shot at Coffield and a KPP in the top 10. Coffield is one that I would back in to reach the heights of Steele rather than Phillips.

It's all about maximising value which trading Steele has more potential to do because he generates the better trade value relative to how the market views him and automatically stabilises our TPP issues. Others with the single minded and myopic view that a player of Steele's ilk is untouchable will win out because the club doesn't have it in them to do it after the blowback on Shaw, but that doesn't make it the right play only the safe one.
 

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They've been testing it for ages. I tried it a few weeks back and didn't last ten minutes. Hope it doesn't become permanent.

Although I said the same thing when this format first game in :p
The theme in question is called the "Mayne" theme. It was just a bit of a mix-up that caused it to come in...
 

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Yeh he was selling a software package to help with recruiting, he identified teams on up and slide. Said we would finish where we did. Revolved around the importance of eperience and especially shared experience. Games played together.
His program worked on all elite team sports.
Through out a lot of evidence!
Said some clubs were using it.
A software package for common sense Collingwood better have invested in it!!
 

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On the whole I'm not interested in comparing the two at all because Phillips won't ever reach Steele's level for the reasons I outlined in my post and it's largely irrelevant when discussing their respective trade values.

Steele if traded to St Kilda could generate us pick 8 and Savage, IMO. Phillips might generate a 2018 2nd round pick or a player exchange. Pick 8 allows us a shot at Coffield and a KPP in the top 10. Coffield is one that I would back in to reach the heights of Steele rather than Phillips.

It's all about maximising value which trading Steele has more potential to do because he generates the better trade value relative to how the market views him and automatically stabilises our TPP issues. Others with the single minded and myopic view that a player of Steele's ilk is untouchable will win out because the club doesn't have it in them to do it after the blowback on Shaw, but that doesn't make it the right play only the safe one.
To be fair, I'm one of the "others" and would not like Steele to be traded. He is not that old, adds value and leadership to a young side and we need to keep a modicum of stability in the team. These guys need time to play together and it would not send a great message to trade him out if he did not initiate it. Hope that's not single minded and miopic, just my opinion but I get your point.
 

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On the whole I'm not interested in comparing the two at all because Phillips won't ever reach Steele's level for the reasons I outlined in my post and it's largely irrelevant when discussing their respective trade values.

Steele if traded to St Kilda could generate us pick 8 and Savage, IMO. Phillips might generate a 2018 2nd round pick or a player exchange. Pick 8 allows us a shot at Coffield and a KPP in the top 10. Coffield is one that I would back in to reach the heights of Steele rather than Phillips.

It's all about maximising value which trading Steele has more potential to do because he generates the better trade value relative to how the market views him and automatically stabilises our TPP issues. Others with the single minded and myopic view that a player of Steele's ilk is untouchable will win out because the club doesn't have it in them to do it after the blowback on Shaw, but that doesn't make it the right play only the safe one.
Why is Sidebottom on the trade block and not Adams?

If we agree that Adams and Sidebottom are comparable to the value they could potentially bring back to Collingwood.

Then surely you trade the player who is poorer user of the ball first.

Also Steele has better leadership qualities. He is acting captain after all when Pendlebury was out injured.
 

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Yeh he was selling a software package to help with recruiting, he identified teams on up and slide. Said we would finish where we did. Revolved around the importance of eperience and especially shared experience. Games played together.
His program worked on all elite team sports.
Through out a lot of evidence!
Said some clubs were using it.
Yep. Heard Pendles and Swanny talk about knowing each other so well on the field but it took time. Loved there work together. Such different blokes too.
 
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