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I'm not a fan of talls, their importance in the game is dwindling and they usually have short careers that start late and end early. And I'm talking only three "star" talls that will cost us a lot of money. I wouldn't waste the cash on more than three stars, prefer to pay for more quality mids.
And how many great sides only have 3 quality talls?
 

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Ok, just passing on what I heard from a mate......he got some pretty spot on info last trade period from this bloke so will see how all this pans out.

Will be a pretty quiet trade period for us.

Our focus is on either Lynch, Cameron or Patton next year with Lynch the priority and will be offering him 5 years @ 1.2mil.
If this fails then we'll have a crack at the other 2 but pretty confident of landing one of the 3
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Smith has supposedly advised us he has chosen us and we have offered 3 years @ 450000.

Bucks has met with Watts but we are unsure at this stage as not sure what the dees want for him.

Not interested in Schache at his stage as the lions want too much.

Will pass on any more info that I hear from him.

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This sounds odd to me. If we didn't land Lynch I would not be confident at all on landing Cameron or Patton. Sounds very scattergun and I can't see us turning at the 11th hour to someone of the ilk of Cameron and saying, 'hey mate, ahhh, you want to come to the Pies?'

There's a 50/50 on getting Lynch so you want to put a big offer out there and constant, serious bromancing into it.

I think the Shache and 18 for 6 sounds sensible to me. As good as it is to choose best available at your pick I don't think we have that luxury right now. Pick 6 for two strong KPP players sounds smart to me.
 

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And how many great sides only have 3 quality talls?
Not too many teams in the league would have more than 3 star talls.

Bulldogs and Hawks did not have more than 3. Neither do the Tigers or Crows (second is debatable). The great Cats side only had about 3 star talls. And they are becoming less important every year, so this trend will continue.
 

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Not too many teams in the league would have more than 3 star talls.

Bulldogs and Hawks did not have more than 3. Neither do the Tigers or Crows (second is debatable). The great Cats side only had about 3 star talls. And they are becoming less important every year, so this trend will continue.
Scarlet Taylor Lonergen Hawkins Ottens at the cats. Buddy Lake Roughead and then a rung down Gunston and
McEvoy. Dogs definitely not a great side, neither is Richmond Adelaide may become one
 

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This sounds odd to me. If we didn't land Lynch I would not be confident at all on landing Cameron or Patton. Sounds very scattergun and I can't see us turning at the 11th hour to someone of the ilk of Cameron and saying, 'hey mate, ahhh, you want to come to the Pies?'

There's a 50/50 on getting Lynch so you want to put a big offer out there and constant, serious bromancing into it.

I think the Shache and 18 for 6 sounds sensible to me. As good as it is to choose best available at your pick I don't think we have that luxury right now. Pick 6 for two strong KPP players sounds smart to me.
Don't think it's entirely unrealistic to have a 'wishlist' of either desirable or potential targets as contingencies, I don't think we'd be confident of landing each one but "1 of the 3" is not that fanciful.

Also would rather pass over Schache entirely put our eggs in a basket for Lynch. Kid seems like a bit of a shit, and hasn't shown anything. I'd rather go for proven talent instead of sinking salary cap into an unknown quality.

We haven't landed a major KPF since...I don't even know who? The idea of getting either Cameron or Lynch has me hitting the underside of my desk.
 

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Pretty much what we already know, majority of people who play at Collingwood don't enjoy it.

People say winning will improve the culture, won't happen until blokes like Bucks and Pendles are gone.
Seriously? They get paid a shipload to train for and play footy. They aren't there for a party.
 

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This sounds odd to me. If we didn't land Lynch I would not be confident at all on landing Cameron or Patton. Sounds very scattergun and I can't see us turning at the 11th hour to someone of the ilk of Cameron and saying, 'hey mate, ahhh, you want to come to the Pies?'

There's a 50/50 on getting Lynch so you want to put a big offer out there and constant, serious bromancing into it.

I think the Shache and 18 for 6 sounds sensible to me. As good as it is to choose best available at your pick I don't think we have that luxury right now. Pick 6 for two strong KPP players sounds smart to me.
Lynch is our target Old Spice he has been for two years now.

The Patton & Cameron second and third option is news to me...........sounds like BS actually.
 

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Scarlet Taylor Lonergen Hawkins Ottens at the cats. Buddy Lake Roughead and then a rung down Gunston and
McEvoy. Dogs definitely not a great side, neither is Richmond Adelaide may become one
I'm not going to argue over every player, I think you get what I mean now even if we disagree.

Will just say that wen I say "stars" I mean players near the top of the club's pay scale. I'm not against having more than three talls who play their role very well. That means Lake doesn't count, he was drafted in very cheaply and not being paid big money and I see Lonergen as a solid type that you have to complement your stars.

In the context of Collingwood right now, it means I wouldn't want to be paying more than three talls over $750k or so, to pluck a number randomly. We have Grundy and Moore who are, or hopefully are, heading there.
 

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I'm not going to argue over every player, I think you get what I mean now even if we disagree.

Will just say that wen I say "stars" I mean players near the top of the club's pay scale. I'm not against having more than three talls who play their role very well. That means Lake doesn't count, he was drafted in very cheaply and not being paid big money and I see Lonergen as a solid type that you have to complement your stars.

In the context of Collingwood right now, it means I wouldn't want to be paying more than three talls over $750k or so, to pluck a number randomly. We have Grundy and Moore who are, or hopefully are, heading there.
End of the day your talls are your point of difference mids are a dime a dozen
 

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Pretty much what we already know, majority of people who play at Collingwood don't enjoy it.

People say winning will improve the culture, won't happen until blokes like Bucks and Pendles are gone.
And yet the player worked their asses off for the coach when his job (unfortunately too late in the season) was on the line and have spoken publicly about how much they want to play for him, and reports were that the players wanting him to stay was a big factor in getting him another couple of years.

There is some insightful stuff there from Seedsman, but there's always two sides to every story. And if the rumours that were going around at the time are true, there were some very good reasons why his form was so inconsistent, why the coaching staff had asked him to pull his head in and focus on footy, and him saying that his two best mates were Heater and Beams only, IMO, adds fuel to the argument that he was not doing all that he could to get the best out of himself at the footy club.

This is not about differing personalities. This is about people putting in their all inside the 4 walls of the club. Theres a reason why someone like Swanny still stayed a first class player under Bucks, and spoke positively about his coach, whilst others didn't.
 

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End of the day your talls are your point of difference mids are a dime a dozen
Not as influential as they once were, but that's why we'd have three near the top of the pay scale. That's quite a chunk out of the cap.

They are still important, but they are also often a liability and providing little more than "structure". Even star forwards have their fair share of ordinary days. The ordinary ones have plenty of them. I still stick to the 5 KPP setup (counting the ruck), but there are times you would go with 4 or even 3 these days, playing any that aren't good enough really can become a liability and playing more than 5 is asking for trouble.

The influence of talls on this finals series has been fairly minimal and it seems to diminish every year. Games that are full of pressure and congestion don't lend themselves to your KPP starring. If the game could be opened up more and have less team defence, their influence would be back on the rise.
 
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