List Mgmt. Trade & F.A. 2017 (if a scenario sounds wrong - read on before posting)

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Mayne was known for his manic forward pressure and I assume the reason that he was brought to the club ???? He had a terrible 2017 and it didn't work out as expected.

Richmond won the 2017 grand final with arguably the worst list to do so in recent memory albeit a very healthy one, with a game plan based on manic pressure. Maybe our coaching staffs thinking isn't too far of the mark.

In another comment to upset a few , take out the top 3 players (cotchin , Dusty , Rance ) ( Pendlebury , Treloar , ? ) I still rate our list a fair bit better then richmonds.
 

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I don't think anyone's been calling for a one KPF forward line, just mentioning that it is a valid option. There's no disputing that.

Personally, I want a support forward for Moore. Whether that's a young developing tall (preferably not through the draft if it can be avoided), or a slightly older battering ram type. If we can't yet find one or whoever we get is not ready then we stick with Cox/Reid/Mayne for 2018. Moore projects to be very good and will likely cost us $1M or near to at some point. I don't want to be paying another key forward over $1M, they are overpriced in the market.

Looking at who might be available at pick 6, I don't think I want a tall. We are much more likely to get a potential A grader if we take best available and I don't think that's going to be a KPP. You don't get cute with top 10 picks, you make the most of the chance to draft a potentially elite talent. Either that or we trade it for a more certain KPP hit as this year's draft looks a real risk of dudding it up if we go tall at 6.

Finally someone said it , Agree 100% you take the best player available with the most likely chance of translating that talent to AFL level.
 

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I don't think anyone's been calling for a one KPF forward line, just mentioning that it is a valid option. There's no disputing that.

Personally, I want a support forward for Moore. Whether that's a young developing tall (preferably not through the draft if it can be avoided), or a slightly older battering ram type. If we can't yet find one or whoever we get is not ready then we stick with Cox/Reid/Mayne for 2018. Moore projects to be very good and will likely cost us $1M or near to at some point. I don't want to be paying another key forward over $1M, they are overpriced in the market.

Looking at who might be available at pick 6, I don't think I want a tall. We are much more likely to get a potential A grader if we take best available and I don't think that's going to be a KPP. You don't get cute with top 10 picks, you make the most of the chance to draft a potentially elite talent. Either that or we trade it for a more certain KPP hit as this year's draft looks a real risk of dudding it up if we go tall at 6.
I don't think Moore will ever cost $1 million. I just don't see his ceiling as that high. It's one of the reasons I think Lynch is a very necessary target. Lynch deep allows us that competetive tall target and releases Moore further a field and for second ruck duties. I think we'll get the most of Moore in this role. It would be the perfect combination and fit modern football to a tee. You then make the rest of the forward line small and medium agile types. We do need to be conscious of not going ridiculously over in salary but 1-1.2 I would be willing to invest. If it heads north of that it'd become hard to justify.

It's intersting you see risk in terms of trade and salary which I completely understand. I see risk in expecting Moore to be our great tall forward. I really like Moore but he's a low possession player and always has been. There's a lot of risk in assuming he'll elevate to Reiwoldts, Kennedys or Lynchs level.
 

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I don't think Moore will ever cost $1 million. I just don't see his ceiling as that high. It's one of the reasons I think Lynch is a very necessary target. Lynch deep allows us that competetive tall target and releases Moore further a field and for second ruck duties. I think we'll get the most of Moore in this role. It would be the perfect combination and fit modern football to a tee. You then make the rest of the forward line small and medium agile types. We do need to be conscious of not going ridiculously over in salary but 1-1.2 I would be willing to invest. If it heads north of that it'd become hard to justify.

It's intersting you see risk in terms of trade and salary which I completely understand. I see risk in expecting Moore to be our great tall forward. I really like Moore but he's a low possession player and always has been. There's a lot of risk in assuming he'll elevate to Reiwoldts, Kennedys or Lynchs level.
What does it mean for Cox?

You can't can carry all three and he's on too good a wicket to just have sitting in the reserves awaiting an injury to Grundy (touch wood). The greatest indicator that the odds are seriously stacked against us on Lynch is the work we put into retaining Cox, IMO. If Lynch is attainable though we need to makes a serious decision on Cox because Reid will get squeezed as it is if we're serious moving forward.

I think there's an element of fools gold in it because past experience indicates that the result of backing the talls already on the list means we won't target any in the draft. It's one of the primary reasons we have gone tall early just once since 2006. We keep using the "we'll fix it next year line".
 
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Star Gold Coast forward Tom Lynch "has one foot out the door" and is set to leave after his contract expires at the end of next year, a report in The Courier Mail says.

Lynch has told people close to him he would return home to Victoria to a club with a chance of premiership success if the Suns don't become better quickly.

The co-captain's manager Robbie D'Orazio told NAB AFL Trade Radio on Wednesday Lynch would be at the club next year, but it seems likely he departs after that


Why is it assumed he willl pick Collingwood ?

I think if we have a quiet trade period this year , we are very very very confident that he will be coming or someone of equal stature. Think confidence levels of Gary Abllet was going to Gold Coast or Dangerfield was going back to the cats.
Let's face facts we are a bottom 6 side this year and unless we show massive improvement next year we can forget about Lynch, since he wants to be at a club close to premiership success.
 

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What does it mean for Cox?

You can't can carry all three and he's on too good a wicket to just have sitting in the reserves awaiting an injury to Grundy (touch wood). The greatest indicator that the odds are seriously stacked against us on Lynch is the work we put into retaining Cox, IMO. If Lynch is attainable though we need to make serious decision on Cox because Reid will get squeezed as it is if we're serious moving forward.

I think there's an element of fools gold in it because past experience indicates that the result of backing the talls already on the list means we won't target any in the draft. It's one of the primary reasons we have gone tall early just once since 2006. We keep using the "we'll fix it next year line".
It means we trade Cox down the track with his salary. He'll play this year. And his performance will be such there will be a lot of interest in him as a ruck who kicks goals. I'd send Reid back to defence if his body is holding up.

I'd still target talls in this draft. Stick to the same strategy whether we get Lynch or not. That way we have future planned if we miss out on Lynch and aren't disadvantaged.
 

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What does it mean for Cox?

You can't can carry all three and he's on too good a wicket to just have sitting in the reserves awaiting an injury to Grundy (touch wood). The greatest indicator that the odds are seriously stacked against us on Lynch is the work we put into retaining Cox, IMO. If Lynch is attainable though we need to make serious decision on Cox because Reid will get squeezed as it is if we're serious moving forward.

I think there's an element of fools gold in it because past experience indicates that the result of backing the talls already on the list means we won't target any in the draft. It's one of the primary reasons we have gone tall early just once since 2006. We keep using the "we'll fix it next year line".
Maybe we signed Cox as backup... But we're also thinking we can trade him if we get Lynch.
 

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It means we trade Cox down the track with his salary. He'll play this year. And his performance will be such there will be a lot of interest in him as a ruck who kicks goals. I'd send Reid back to defence if his body is holding up.

I'd still target talls in this draft. Stick to the same strategy whether we get Lynch or not. That way we have future planned if we miss out on Lynch and aren't disadvantaged.
That is how I would be playing it, but do you have confidence in the club doing it? And how do you think that'll fly with the masses on here that don't look at the bigger picture? I like Reid back personally too, but what does it mean for Dunn? The logical path would be to use him at VFL level in an on field coach capacity because despite a strong 2017 Reid hasn't slipped behind him yet. The other curveball is Moore to defense, but I think that's only an option if Cox blitzes.

After what I've read in the Age article this morning my confidence in the list management team weighing all those options and going tall is low.

It's funny though everyone seems to be completely focussed on who Guy managers within the system, why? He can't be involved in those discussions, but he can add valuable IP in the draft. He might have clients we're keen on that he knows are flight risks, they could be lazy or like Toumpas relied too much on others giving them the ball. This is the type of value he can add immediately and advise on who's keen on who so we know where we need to position ourselves in the draft.

Maybe we signed Cox as backup... But we're also thinking we can trade him if we get Lynch.
We definitely didn't sign him as back up and if fit he'll be a best 22 lock next year. As above though if Lynch is coming on board I think you have to trade Cox or consider moving Moore back.
 

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I can't believe how people under estimate Cox's value in the forward line. There was a massive up swing in his form this year. He was taking plenty of contested grabs. I reckon he will surprise many next year.
It's definitely not that. I don't know about others, but I'm not going to bother explaining the issues to you if you can't figure it out for yourself.
 

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Suns likely to finish bottom 4. Lynch gets a massive deal their free agency compo would be better than any trade. They finish 17th they’ll get pick 3 and prob pick 19 as compo
If the suns finish last or second last then their compo pick will give them first dibs on Lukosious, Rankine and the King twins. Those guys will be hard to pass up, especially a combo of Lukosious and Rankine.
 
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Devon smith for second round

Watts for a third

And take pick 6 to the draft for the best available player.

I'd be happy with that

Line up lynch for trade this time next year.

And we're back in the ball game come 2019.
 

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That is how I would be playing it, but do you have confidence in the club doing it? And how do you think that'll fly with the masses on here that don't look at the bigger picture? I like Reid back personally too, but what does it mean for Dunn? The logical path would be to use him at VFL level in an on field coach capacity because despite a strong 2017 Reid hasn't slipped behind him yet. The other curveball is Moore to defense, but I think that's only an option if Cox blitzes.

After what I've read in the Age article this morning my confidence in the list management team weighing all those options and going tall is low.

It's funny though everyone seems to be completely focussed on who Guy managers within the system, why? He can't be involved in those discussions, but he can add valuable IP in the draft. He might have clients we're keen on that he knows are flight risks, they could be lazy or like Toumpas relied too much on others giving them the ball. This is the type of value he can add immediately and advise on who's keen on who so we know where we need to position ourselves in the draft.



We definitely didn't sign him as back up and if fit he'll be a best 22 lock next year. As above though if Lynch is coming on board I think you have to trade Cox or consider moving Moore back.

I have said for a while that Moore would be a superstar at CHB.

I've read Lever is the next Rance. Thats ridiculous. Lever just doesnt have that level of athleticism. Few do.

Moore does.
 

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That is how I would be playing it, but do you have confidence in the club doing it? And how do you think that'll fly with the masses on here that don't look at the bigger picture? I like Reid back personally too, but what does it mean for Dunn? The logical path would be to use him at VFL level in an on field coach capacity because despite a strong 2017 Reid hasn't slipped behind him yet. The other curveball is Moore to defense, but I think that's only an option if Cox blitzes.

After what I've read in the Age article this morning my confidence in the list management team weighing all those options and going tall is low.

It's funny though everyone seems to be completely focussed on who Guy managers within the system, why? He can't be involved in those discussions, but he can add valuable IP in the draft. He might have clients we're keen on that he knows are flight risks, they could be lazy or like Toumpas relied too much on others giving them the ball. This is the type of value he can add immediately and advise on who's keen on who so we know where we need to position ourselves in the draft.



We definitely didn't sign him as back up and if fit he'll be a best 22 lock next year. As above though if Lynch is coming on board I think you have to trade Cox or consider moving Moore back.
I think there's every indication we're interested in Lynch and will go hard next season. At the draft there's less information on what we'll do. We recently got linked to Coffield at 6 by Bishop but how much weight do you give that? Personally i'd go tall. I am buoyed by the fact Walsh is setting the direction this off season.
 
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I have said for a while that Moore would be a superstar at CHB.

I've read Lever is the next Rance. Thats ridiculous. Lever just doesnt have that level of athleticism. Few do.

Moore does.
I'm slightly open to it, but there's a few things that need to fall in place, IMO.

1. We go tall early in this draft
2. We bring Lynch in next year
3. Cox establishes himself as a KPF/ ruck not the reverse

The structure that allows for in 2019 in the spine would be:

Moore>McLarty/ Reid > Grundy > Lynch > Cox.

That leaves us with two of McLarty, Reid and 2017 first round pick at VFL level. To me that structure is solid for a five year stretch, but it falls apart if any of the three earlier parameters don't fall in place. With our midfield we can challenge as soon as 2019 if the FD is fixed.
 

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I’m warming to the idea of Watts as a forward. I think he could be a poor man’s Gunston and work alongside both Moore and Cox because he’s legitimately quick and agile despite his height. Much like Gunston too, he gets most of his marks on the lead by getting separation from his opponent. The real question is work rate. Hopefully the shock of being dumped by Melbourne is enough to put a rocket up how arse.

If he nominated us I’d hope that we initially offer our pick in the 50’s as a starting point. If they’re unhappy with that, offer 36 on the proviso that they pay some of his salary, which I assume would be circa $500k +.

Whilst warming to the idea im still skeptical on him, but having said that I’ve been very meh on our last two Melbourne recruits in Dunn and Howe and they’ve both proven me wrong, so hopefully the trend can continue.
 

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I can't believe how people under estimate Cox's value in the forward line. There was a massive up swing in his form this year. He was taking plenty of contested grabs. I reckon he will surprise many next year.
Cox was dropped, for a large part of the year played VFL. He's slow and not a natural footballer. I think a combo of the way we play him and his own improvement could make him very valuable next year.
 

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That I like. He has game but less sure on his defensive ability. Any good? It'd be doubtful Tigers would let him go though surely?
You rate Smith with no forward defensive pressure, yet like Shai Bolton. This guy is a ball watcher everytime he dosent have the ball in hand. A defensive dud. Why go from the shit, in your opinion, to to the shitter.
 

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Devon smith for second round

Watts for a third

And take pick 6 to the draft for the best available player.

I'd be happy with that

Line up lynch for trade this time next year.

And we're back in the ball game come 2019.
I'd rather Saad over Smith. Just a bigger list need. Our exit out of the back half is a major problem that needs to be addressed as a priority.
 

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You rate Smith with no forward defensive pressure, yet like Shai Bolton. This guy is a ball watcher everytime he dosent have the ball in hand. A defensive dud. Why go from the shit, in your opinion, to to the shitter.
I said in that post I don't know what Shai's defensive pressure was like and asked for clarification on it. On the otherhand I know Smith's is shit but you didn't address that. But by all means rant on!
 
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It's definitely not that. I don't know about others, but I'm not going to bother explaining the issues to you if you can't figure it out for yourself.
Scodog10, If you can't explain something simply then you don't understand it well enough yourself. That is a simple life principle. You could have summarised your thoughts in the same amount words that you took to make yourself sound smart and put me down. I expected better from you or did I confuse you with Snoopdog.
 

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Finally someone said it , Agree 100% you take the best player available with the most likely chance of translating that talent to AFL level.
Yeah what a smart way to run the club that is the reason we have drafted one KPP I n the first round in the last 10 years and have the worst spine in the business
 
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