List Mgmt. Trade & F.A. 2017 (if a scenario sounds wrong - read on before posting)

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Mayne was known for his manic forward pressure and I assume the reason that he was brought to the club ???? He had a terrible 2017 and it didn't work out as expected.

Richmond won the 2017 grand final with arguably the worst list to do so in recent memory albeit a very healthy one, with a game plan based on manic pressure. Maybe our coaching staffs thinking isn't too far of the mark.

In another comment to upset a few , take out the top 3 players (cotchin , Dusty , Rance ) ( Pendlebury , Treloar , ? ) I still rate our list a fair bit better then richmonds.
Most grand finals are won on the basis of manic pressure. The side that realises this usually wins. (Think of us in 2010 - in my posts then, I called it intensity) Collingwood has been working on this as its methodology in recent times but has not gelled it for a number of reasons. I agree that we are not far off what is required.
To succeed next year, one thing that will be required is that the fans get off the backs of players like Mayne who do their utmost to do what they are asked to do. Mayne did not come to us to be a high possession player, but to provide forward pressure. He did as he was asked, but missed some crucial goals that he should have kicked. On that failure, he was scapegoated for the team's more general failures. He was not the only one responsible.
Off topic, but sort of connected, we shouldn't be too critical of innovative tactics when they fall down in execution, provided they provide the prospect of achieving their objects. I am thinking particularly of the slow switch tactic that we used successfully against Sydney, but unsuccessfully against Port. It was designed to draw out and break up the pattern of team defences and allow a clean forward entry. I believe that the failing against Port was one of our on field leadership to change up to attack at the right moment. ( A difficult judgement) The tactic, although ugly, seems to be quite promising as a way of clearing some space up forward. It pressures our footskills and decision making, but it has an object. Against Port, the forwards did not make their dummy leads with enough venom to make the Port backs follow them, and so the openings did not occur before the Port shut down men forced a poor kick.
And we are back at the crucial role of intensity.
 

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Very thoughtful reasoned points made.

The key one, if I'm getting it, is using pick 6 ever acceptable to select (on potential ofcourse) an ok or medium talent key position kid v an elite mid or flanker or defender?

It's a terrific point.

Say we can select Coffield (i just keep seeing his name pop up with raps) who could be our "Lever" over say a Brander who might progress to say Nathan Brown level? (Not saying he's same sort of player more about level.)

It's a great dilema.

Dare I say it, but we should use earliest pick on potential elite as the main tactic.
Agree, Chis Egan as case in point was probably a potential pick, Pick 10 with a this Kid could be anything but he also may not reach that height.
 

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What early KPP have we overlooked then. Like what top 10 picks have we used that we shouldn't of and who was a better choice at the time. Chris Egan (bust) Nathan Freeman (bust)

FREEMAN DRAFT YEAR
1 6 Matthew Scharenberg Collingwood Glenelg SANFL Traded from West Coast
1 7 James Aish Brisbane Lions Norwood SANFL
1 8 Luke McDonald North Melbourne Werribee VFL Father–son selection – son of Donald McDonald
1 9 Christian Salem Melbourne Sandringham Dragons TAC Cup Mid first round compensation pick from 2010 traded from Greater Western Sydney
1 10 Nathan Freeman Collingwood Sandringham Dragons TAC Cup
1 11 Dom Sheed West Coast Subiaco WAFL Traded from Collingwood; free agency compensation pick (Thomas)
1 12 Ben Lennon Richmond Northern Knights TAC Cup
1 13 Patrick Cripps Carlton East Fremantle WAFL
1 14 Cam McCarthy Greater Western Sydney South Fremantle WAFL Traded from Port Adelaide
1 15 Zak Jones Sydney Dandenong Stingrays TAC Cup
1 16 Darcy Lang Geelong Geelong Falcons TAC Cup
1 17 Michael Apeness Fremantle Eastern Ranges TAC Cup
1 18 Luke Dunstan St Kilda Woodville-West Torrens SANFL Traded from Hawthorn
1 19 Blake Acres St Kilda West Perth WAFL Traded from Hawthorn; free agency compensation pick (Franklin)
1 20 Jack Leslie Gold Coast Gippsland Power TAC Cup End of first round uncontracted player compensation pick
2 21 Jarman Impey Port Adelaide Murray Bushrangers TAC Cup Traded from Greater Western Sydney
2 22 Darcy Gardiner Brisbane Lions Geelong Falcons TAC Cup Traded by Greater Western Sydney; received from Melbourne
2 23 Matt Crouch Adelaide North Ballarat Rebels TAC Cup Traded from Melbourne; free agency compensation pick (Sylvia)

Missed Cam McCarthy at a stretch but he's gone home with homesickness anyway. Maybe they were aware of the WA pull.
Last few years of the top of my head we could of had Wright McCarthy, Curnow, McKay x2 Weediaman, Louge, Collins to name a few
 

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This would be our ideal trade for Watts, I would think:

Collingwood lose: Pick 6, 2nd rounder 2018 and pick 36(maybe).
Collingwood gain: Pick 10, Melbourne's first round pick next year and Watts.

Melbourne lose: Pick 10, Next year's first pick and Watts.
Melbourne gain: Pick 6, Collingwood's 2nd rounder 2018 and pick 36(maybe).

That sets us up well for next year, If Lynch decides to nominates us.
We would have 2 first round picks, and worst case scenario we have 2 first round picks in a "super draft".
 

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Jarman Impey has nominated the Dawks as his club of choice. C/- AFL Trade Radio
Also mentioned that Jackson Trengove on a 4 year deal to the Dogs which will be lodged when FA opens tomorrow. FA compo to Port likely to be cancelled out here if they land Rockliff on good money.
 

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I’m warming to the idea of Watts as a forward. I think he could be a poor man’s Gunston and work alongside both Moore and Cox because he’s legitimately quick and agile despite his height. Much like Gunston too, he gets most of his marks on the lead by getting separation from his opponent. The real question is work rate. Hopefully the shock of being dumped by Melbourne is enough to put a rocket up how arse.
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How good was Gunston at being the #1 FWD whilst Roughead was out ?. If we can make Moore the second fwd and have a Watts as the 3rd ?.
 

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Lynch set to be offered a 8 mil deal over 5 years to stay up at the Gold Coast which includes an extra 1 Mil in incentives care of the AFL. :(

C/-On the couch and now confirmed by AFL Trade Radio.
 

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I really don't no why we haven't looked at Xavier Richards or Michael Talia when we picked up players like Schade, Dunn (love him but his old and small), and gave Keeffe a rookie spot. Both are tallest defenders that have shown some and just might needed to grow up a little before they reached their full potential.
 

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Last few years of the top of my head we could of had Wright McCarthy, Curnow, McKay x2 Weediaman, Louge, Collins to name a few
Ok Im not aware of that Im not a Draft nut. who that we have taken with the picks we have had are you not taking for these guys. Would love Curnow.
Dont rate Louge on what I've seen.
McCarthy was always going back to WA
 

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Most grand finals are won on the basis of manic pressure. The side that realises this usually wins. (Think of us in 2010 - in my posts then, I called it intensity) Collingwood has been working on this as its methodology in recent times but has not gelled it for a number of reasons. I agree that we are not far off what is required.
To succeed next year, one thing that will be required is that the fans get off the backs of players like Mayne who do their utmost to do what they are asked to do. Mayne did not come to us to be a high possession player, but to provide forward pressure. He did as he was asked, but missed some crucial goals that he should have kicked. On that failure, he was scapegoated for the team's more general failures. He was not the only one responsible.
Off topic, but sort of connected, we shouldn't be too critical of innovative tactics when they fall down in execution, provided they provide the prospect of achieving their objects. I am thinking particularly of the slow switch tactic that we used successfully against Sydney, but unsuccessfully against Port. It was designed to draw out and break up the pattern of team defences and allow a clean forward entry. I believe that the failing against Port was one of our on field leadership to change up to attack at the right moment. ( A difficult judgement) The tactic, although ugly, seems to be quite promising as a way of clearing some space up forward. It pressures our footskills and decision making, but it has an object. Against Port, the forwards did not make their dummy leads with enough venom to make the Port backs follow them, and so the openings did not occur before the Port shut down men forced a poor kick.
And we are back at the crucial role of intensity.
Playing Mayne will not lead to success, his recruitment shows what is wrong with Collingwood. Pick a player will skill and pace and then get them to tackle for you, don't recruit a shit footballer because they tackle it's probably the stupidest thing we have done.
 

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Ok Im not aware of that Im not a Draft nut. who that we have taken with the picks we have had are you not taking for these guys. Would love Curnow.
Dont rate Louge on what I've seen.
McCarthy was always going back to WA
Curnow and Moore would have been great together. But we choose to over invest in mids
 

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Lynch set to be offered a 8 mil deal over 5 years to stay up at the Gold Coast which includes an extra 1 Mil in incentives care of the AFL. :(

C/-On the couch and now confirmed by AFL Trade Radio.
WOW

Maybe 6 over 5 years is ok when your back home and have some chance of success playing in front of decent crowds etc.
 

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If we aren't going to trade our picks for players and are keen on going to the draft.

Would like something:

Pick 6 and 36, Oxley to Lions for Pick 12 and 18.

Lions get Oxley for nothing while keeping the same amount of points for Ballenden.

Ballenden stocks would have risen slightly after the combine kicking test yesterday.

Scored 25 out of 30 for goalkicking and 30 out of 30 for general field kicking.. Not bad for a 199cm Key Forward.
 
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