List Mgmt. Trade & F.A. 2017 (if a scenario sounds wrong - read on before posting)

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This would be our ideal trade for Watts, I would think:

Collingwood lose: Pick 6, 2nd rounder 2018 and pick 36(maybe).
Collingwood gain: Pick 10, Melbourne's first round pick next year and Watts.

Melbourne lose: Pick 10, Next year's first pick and Watts.
Melbourne gain: Pick 6, Collingwood's 2nd rounder 2018 and pick 36(maybe).

That sets us up well for next year, If Lynch decides to nominates us.
We would have 2 first round picks, and worst case scenario we have 2 first round picks in a "super draft".
And hope like hell Melbourne go terrible. Bottom or bottom 3.

Lucusios (spelling?) here we come :)
If only.... such dreams football is built on
 

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Could we do:

Collingwood lose pick 6 (1751), pick 36 (502) and Oxley/smith.
Collingwood gain pick 12 (1268), pick 22 (845) and pick 24 (785).
We turn a first round and third round pick in 3 top 25 picks.

Brisbane lose pick 12 (1268) and pick 18 (985).
Brisbane gain pick 6 (1751)
Brisbane gain 2 top 10 picks, and could use only pick 19 to pay for Ballenden

GCS lose pick 22 (845) and pick 24 (785).
GCS gain pick pick 18 (985), pick 36(502) and Oxley/Smith.
GCS have 3 top 20 picks, and get an Afl experienced player.

Think this would be a great outcome for Collingwood.
 

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Cox should have a shock collar attached that activates if he tries to bounce again.
All substance and no style. Just an awkward player to watch do anything really.

Due to his lankiness and lack of being bought up with AFL I reckon.
 

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I've come around on Watts:

1) Will be super cheap given how it's played out in the media. No way he can stay at Melbourne now so we have the upper hand in negotiations. Very little risk.
2) The form line of recent trading with Melbourne!
 

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I agree with you that the team requires a second marking target up forward and that a second genuine KPF(not elite just competent) is the most sustainable model but it is not the only model.

Given the composition of the list there are two possibilities that stand out for me. First is one of Cox or Reid at full forward. The problem with this is that they lack mobility. Therefore if you go down this route the forward structure has to be set up so that they always have one or more smalls in support, first to crumb off any aerial contests and second to provide defensive pressure, either directly or by corralling the opposition back towards the big guys(they may lack agility but they still take up real estate).

The second option would be to use Fasolo as an undersized key forward(I distinctly remember a game against Richmond where he made Rance look second rate in many one on one contests). Again for this to work the forward line structures have to be organised to suit, in this case that would mean coordinated leading patterns to separate the defenders otherwise an undersized forward line is liable to concede too many intercept marks.

The two obstacles to either of these plans working are first they require a level of organisation and team work among the forwards that has been absent the past several seasons. The second is that the four main forwards in these scenarios being Moore, Elliot, Fasolo and Cox/Reid are not able to provide enough at ground level. Therefore as the two lesser talents of the four only one of Cox/Reid or Fasolo should play in the same line up and the other replaced by a small who can provide defensive pressure while still contributing on the score board.

That leads me to my conclusion that if looking for a ready made player to improve the forward line it is not a key forward but a small that should be targeted while another tall is acquired through the draft. A quality ready made small will be cheaper allowing pick six to be retained hopefully for use on a young KPP while also providing flexibility to the coaches when determining their preferred forward structure by compensating for what would otherwise be top heavy set ups.
And lets not forget that neither Grundy, Cox or Moore play 100% game time. All 3 are generally somewhere between 75-90% most games (injuries aside). That allows for periods in games where you actually put both structures into practice.
 
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I've come around on Watts:

1) Will be super cheap given how it's played out in the media. No way he can stay at Melbourne now so we have the upper hand in negotiations. Very little risk.
2) The form line of recent trading with Melbourne!
And Melbourne will be desperate to land lever
 
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We need to use this trade period to set up securing lynch next year. Gold Coast will match ano offer so we need to be able to trade.

I would be looking to off pick 6 for someone first round next year which then gives us 3 to play with Re lynch. Pick 6 for watts and dees first rounder next year would be an example.
Interesting. The only scenario where maybe I'd trade pick 6 is for next years first rounder. Still not convinced though..

On reflection Id rather spend pick 6 now otherwise we will be potentially four years in a row not drafting a player with our first round pick. We've already spent our second round pick on WHE....leaving us with nothing to benefit from finishing 13th.
 

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Interesting. The only scenario where maybe I'd trade pick 6 is for next years first rounder. Still not convinced though..

On reflection Id rather spend pick 6 now otherwise we will be potentially four years in a row not drafting a player with our first round pick. We've already spent our second round pick on WHE....leaving us with nothing to benefit from finishing 13th.
Which was good recruiting considering this years talent pool, WHE has been good and should get better.
 
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