List Mgmt. Trade & F/A - 2018/2019 - Part 2!

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Has to be their first rounder IMO, if he's leaving for Sydney they must have made him a sizeable offer, first rounder or GTFO.
Well the rumour on the Swans board at least is that the Swans didn't make a sizable offer, and that it was Moore that has sought the Swans out because he is desperate to move to Sydney, not the club, but the city.
 

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Sure but Elliott, Moore & Josh Smith all did hamstrings around the same time earlier in the year.
All of them had at least 5 or 6 weeks without playing at any level for what was described as minor strains.
All 3 returned after that long layoff & all 3 had reoccurrence of the same injury.
That’s a rehab fail in anyway you look at it.
Is there anything in the "training surface" murmurs. or is it just poor management
 

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Collingwood can (and in my view should) go all in on Lukosius. Irrespective of how close to contention the club may think they are.

Best on ground last night for Henley in their win against Prince Alfred College. His kicking was flat out ridiculous. He'll kick to what looks like a contest and pick a needle out of a haystack. He was reading the ball in flight as soon as it left the boot and was in position each time to take the intercept mark simply. And playing as a key defender, he would push up to full forward and run all the way back. *Though I'd draft him to play key forward and let him simply run free end-to-end as he feels content.

If interested, it's worth reading my piece in my signature on who Carlton should pick with pick 1 if you need any convincing.
*Spoiler - think of Lukosius as Nick Riewoldt if he could kick like Ben Reid circa 2011 and the best I've seen in my 10 years covering the draft.

Two players I consider overvalued commodities certainly internally, externally harder to say. But Darcy Moore and Jamie Elliott are two I would have no issue with trading. Moore is a nice to have, but ultimately he is potential over performance and his persistent hamstring issues I suspect will be an ongoing problem with Collingwood historically having trouble with repeat injury types. Similarly with Jamie Elliott with his ankles. Only 17 games over three years, none this year. You're not providing the list any value if you're sitting in the stands.

If it means Moore, Elliott, Fasolo and maybe Langdon and a 2019 pick need moving, I'm open to exploring what trade can be made. Brayden Sier if they want a young mid could be an alternative to one of those pieces if he is willing to move for greater opportunity and responsibility.

Lukosius is a Nathan Buckley level opportunity and in the clubs position of greatest need. With Collingwood a winning/competitive team, the club are in a position to get the most out of him. Like Buckley, Lukosius has the scope to become the best in the game, and in combination with Grundy it would feel like Collingwood are two players up every week with both practically playing like extra midfielders at their positions.
The idea of an even better player than Nick Reiwoldt must be at least be explored.

What I’d give up is certainly Moore and another say Elliott or perhaps Wills / Fasolo.
Carlton, even SOS would want heaps more. But Moore and say our first pick etc plus steak knives.

But won’t happen but we should explore it!

He’s too good without doing due diligence.
 

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Without knowing anything I can't help but assume Moore will want to stay.

His dad has said many times over the years that he regrets not finishing a One Club player. You'd imagine that would carry some weight with Darcy.
 

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For us to have a snowflakes chance in hell of getting 2 firsts for Moore he'd have to play finals this year, and play well, and of course stay healthy.

I just don't see that happening, i very much doubt they'll be rushing him back after a VFL game into an AFL final, he's to big a risk of leaving us a man down again.

I don't get whh McLarty isn't playing KB in the VFL, he might not have Moores talent but he's big-fast and durable, i'm actually staggered he's not playing KB, unless the club feels he doesn't need to play back because he already knows the trade, what are your thoughts on that Knightmare ?
Moore is an excellent talent.

The thing you have to remember with the draft is that it's a lottery. Picks are consistently overrated in player for pick deals. It depends on the team, but I'd be wanting a top 10 pick or two first round picks. If slotted into this draft, there are only 8 players I project as better/more valuable. And that's with an excellent top end this year.

I agree in so much as Moore doesn't straight-up = two first round picks. But throw in the equivalent to a 2019 second round pick and that's roughly what I'd settle for in the scenario the club feel they have/want to move him.

I don't see McLarty as having key forward talent. He shouldn't be used as a forward. It's a position you need to be elite in to be AFL quality. Key defence is where he should settle. He's a very capable contested mark, is capable 1v1 and reads the flight well which are the three most important things at that position to be able to do. I'd give him another season as a key back, see how he goes and if it doesn't work, only then cut him.
 

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The idea of an even better player than Nick Reiwoldt must be at least be explored.

What I’d give up is certainly Moore and another say Elliott or perhaps Wills / Fasolo.
Carlton, even SOS would want heaps more. But Moore and say our first pick etc plus steak knives.

But won’t happen but we should explore it!

He’s too good without doing due diligence.
Lukosius can be the best number one pick ever. He has the game to reach those heights.

Moore and a first rounder wouldn't be enough. You'd have to look in the territory of a top 10 pick and two more first rounders, or an equivalent amount in value of young players.
 

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Moore is an excellent talent.

The thing you have to remember with the draft is that it's a lottery. Picks are consistently overrated in player for pick deals. It depends on the team, but I'd be wanting a top 10 pick or two first round picks. If slotted into this draft, there are only 8 players I project as better/more valuable. And that's with an excellent top end this year.

I agree in so much as Moore doesn't straight-up = two first round picks. But throw in the equivalent to a 2019 second round pick and that's roughly what I'd settle for in the scenario the club feel they have/want to move him.

I don't see McLarty as having key forward talent. He shouldn't be used as a forward. It's a position you need to be elite in to be AFL quality. Key defence is where he should settle. He's a very capable contested mark, is capable 1v1 and reads the flight well which are the three most important things at that position to be able to do. I'd give him another season as a key back, see how he goes and if it doesn't work, only then cut him.
I'd be rapt if we got more than a first rounder, i reckon he's always going to have soft tissue issues.
 

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Not that I really want him because he sounds like he is going to traded as a friend for Sam Reid in rehab but given that there are Swans posters saying the Moore trade is a done deal, and taking into account his injuries what do Collingwood fans realistically expect for Moore?
1st Round Draft Pick or a Good KPP
 

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I agree and think we should be promoting this guy into the team. I am still a little perplexed as to why he was moved forward in the first place. His best junior footy was as a back and his form at the end of last year there was terrific. I just wonder whether it was done bc we had Moore moving back there and then a heap of options like Goldsack, Dunn, Howe etc so it was decided to move him forward. If Moore were to go then I wonder if we would move him back. Does my head in a bit!

Pie 4 Life do you have a view?
Because, in the off-season, they got it into their heads that Moore had to play back, Reid had to play forward, Cox had to play in the seniors and that therefore a cover option for Cox (or Grundy) had to be found and developed in the reserves.
 
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Lukosius can be the best number one pick ever. He has the game to reach those heights.

Moore and a first rounder wouldn't be enough. You'd have to look in the territory of a top 10 pick and two more first rounders, or an equivalent amount in value of young players.
I’d agree on extras as required.

If there is Wayne Carey type yes I know he’s more Nick R but I mean in terms of quality you explore and try to get.
 

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There is a guy on the Shiel thread who reckons he knows him and that he is keen to return to Melbourne but not super keen on Blues. I think blues are offering big money though.

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Yeah understandable. They are terrible haha. I keep hearing Blues because of that exact reason. My friend who works at GWS was very confident he is out the door.
 

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Sorry Dave his disposal isnt great yes, but, i think we tend to forget that he is only 24 and is still a year off doing his knee.
What people dont seem to realise with Langdon is how good he is in a tight contested situation. He gets the kudos for his marking/intercept marking but its what he does with the ball when there are 5 forwards around him.
We are lucky with Pendles, Adams ect. in that they are elite around those contests so other players arent noticed as much. But Langdon is one of the best we have in that regard
The sooks on here that can't handle him being clearly in our best 10 let alone best 22 are absolutely woeful.
 
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Well the rumour on the Swans board at least is that the Swans didn't make a sizable offer, and that it was Moore that has sought the Swans out because he is desperate to move to Sydney, not the club, but the city.
So the 'rumour' goes he wants to move up there for the same reasons Ted Richards did. Lifestyle. AFL players have relative anonymity in Sydney.

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There is a guy on the Shiel thread who reckons he knows him and that he is keen to return to Melbourne but not super keen on Blues. I think blues are offering big money though.

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LOL....It is probably my mate. I commented on here last night that my mate knows him well. Shiel will probably come back to Melbourne this year but he is not so keen to go to Carlton. Money isn't the overriding issue with him.....playing with his mates and playing in a team to contend for a premiership is, hence why he is taking unders at GWS.
 

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LOL....It is probably my mate. I commented on here last night that my mate knows him well. Shiel will probably come back to Melbourne this year but he is not so keen to go to Carlton. Money isn't the overriding issue with him.....playing with his mates and playing in a team to contend for a premiership is, hence why he is taking unders at GWS.
Adams Treloar WHE....Welcome to Collingwood Dylan Shiel
 

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Well the rumour on the Swans board at least is that the Swans didn't make a sizable offer, and that it was Moore that has sought the Swans out because he is desperate to move to Sydney, not the club, but the city.
GWS - Moore
Pies - Shiel
Everyone's happy:D
 
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