List Mgmt. Trade & F/A - 2018/2019 - Part 3

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Wills was ahead of Sier at one stage there and might have even played ahead of Sier if he hadn’t been part of the hamstring injury brigade.

Dunno if we can have two big bodied midfielders operating in tandem?
Be interesting to see the bear and bull in together.

Injuries have real hamstrung Wills (pun intended).

Yes he was ahead of Sier but even if Wills was going at full bore suspect Sier was going to over take him anyway. Sier seems to have the better more visionary game.
 

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It gets really interesting next year
The age profile of our list will change markedly with the retirements of players like Wells, Goldsack, Reid, Dunn? etc
Because our list is so young, I suspect we will target players coming out of contract and only take the minimum in the draft.....just a theory
Maybe we are targeting a big name free agent. I don't know who is is necessarily on the free agent list but it would be likely than trading for a big name with our draft situation.
 

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I wouldn’t have Phillips in that list.
I know he’s not everybody’s cup of tea ...

... but a 22yo who played all 26 games this season is obviously rated by the club.

Surely there’d be players you’d think would leave ahead of him (Crocker, Wills, ...?). And surely we won’t hang onto all of Dunn, Goldsack, Reid, Wells, Elliott, ...?

Even those who don’t rate Philips would surely have around 8 to 10 list changes before him? And even those who don’t rate Philips would rate him ahead of a draft pick in the 70’s, or some ‘hail mary’ Cat B who best case scenario takes years to develop?
 

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I know he’s not everybody’s cup of tea ...

... but a 22yo who played all 26 games this season is obviously rated by the club.

Surely there’d be players you’d think would leave ahead of him (Crocker, ...?). And surely we won’t hang onto all of Dunn, Goldsack, Reid, Mayne, Wells, Elliott, ...?

Even those who don’t rate Philips would surely have around 8 to 10 list changes before him? And even those who don’t rate Philips would rate him ahead of a draft pick in the 70’s, or some ‘hail mary’ Cat B who best case scenario takes years to develop?
While I am not the biggest Phillips fan, you are spot on. I do like him a lot, but think he can improve in a few areas.

However, I believe he will only improve as well.

He will almost definitely get another contract, unless his form completely drops off the cliff.
 

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I know he’s not everybody’s cup of tea ...

... but a 22yo who played all 26 games this season is obviously rated by the club.

Surely there’d be players you’d think would leave ahead of him (Crocker, Wills, ...?). And surely we won’t hang onto all of Dunn, Goldsack, Reid, Wells, Elliott, ...?

Even those who don’t rate Philips would surely have around 8 to 10 list changes before him? And even those who don’t rate Philips would rate him ahead of a draft pick in the 70’s, or some ‘hail mary’ Cat B who best case scenario takes years to develop?
I’d prefer to keep him but like Langdon at the end of last season I wouldn’t lose sleep if it went the other.
 

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I know he’s not everybody’s cup of tea ...

... but a 22yo who played all 26 games this season is obviously rated by the club.

Surely there’d be players you’d think would leave ahead of him (Crocker, Wills, ...?). And surely we won’t hang onto all of Dunn, Goldsack, Reid, Wells, Elliott, ...?

Even those who don’t rate Philips would surely have around 8 to 10 list changes before him? And even those who don’t rate Philips would rate him ahead of a draft pick in the 70’s, or some ‘hail mary’ Cat B who best case scenario takes years to develop?
You’ve summarised it well.

Phillips is an elite runner.
He also is a very good player.
He is seen internally (I’m sure) as obvious best 22.

Looks to have a 200 plus game career for us, and that’s a good indication of where’s he viewed.
 

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Noah Anderson from the Oakleigh Chargers, does anybody know if he will be a Collingwood academy pick next year? Kid looks really good.
I think we should find a way to establish "multi-cultural" parentage for Matt Rowell which would allow us to nominate him as an NGA recruit next year.
 

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I think we should find a way to establish "multi-cultural" parentage for Matt Rowell which would allow us to nominate him as an NGA recruit next year.
A nice dream! When his old man is an ex league footballer I don't think it's gonna happen unfortunately.
 

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Wills was ahead of Sier at one stage there and might have even played ahead of Sier if he hadn’t been part of the hamstring injury brigade.

Dunno if we can have two big bodied midfielders operating in tandem?
Sier is so far ahead of Wills now it’s not even funny. 1 has proven himself as a decent role player at senior level, but slow with suspect kicking. The other has shown he can become a game breaker, has elite vision and handballing on the inside, and has a genuine turn of speed. All that with an underdone tank.

I don’t think it’s a question of whether they could play together, because they could, but there’s just no way Wills breaks in to the midfield now. There’s too many ahead of him with the emergence of Sier and the return of Beams.
 

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Sier is so far ahead of Wills now it’s not even funny. 1 has proven himself as a decent role player at senior level, but slow with suspect kicking. The other has shown he can become a game breaker, has elite vision and handballing on the inside, and has a genuine turn of speed. All that with an underdone tank.

I don’t think it’s a question of whether they could play together, because they could, but there’s just no way Wills breaks in to the midfield now. There’s too many ahead of him with the emergence of Sier and the return of Beams.
At this Moment the most likely outcome for Wills at Seasons end is De-Listed or Traded out
 

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Sier is so far ahead of Wills now it’s not even funny. 1 has proven himself as a decent role player at senior level, but slow with suspect kicking. The other has shown he can become a game breaker, has elite vision and handballing on the inside, and has a genuine turn of speed. All that with an underdone tank.

I don’t think it’s a question of whether they could play together, because they could, but there’s just no way Wills breaks in to the midfield now. There’s too many ahead of him with the emergence of Sier and the return of Beams.
I’m almost as confident at Sier becoming elite as i was with Brodie Grundy.

Siers strengths are undeniable, almost reminds me alittle of Chris Judd, if he starts using that elite pace to breakaway from the packs. People compare Sier to Josh Kennedy, which is a decent comparison, but once Sier starts using that pace the comparisons will shift elsewhere!
 

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I’m almost as confident at Sier becoming elite as i was with Brodie Grundy.

Siers strengths are undeniable, almost reminds me alittle of Chris Judd, if he starts using that elite pace to breakaway from the packs. People compare Sier to Josh Kennedy, which is a decent comparison, but once Sier starts using that pace the comparisons will shift elsewhere!

Love the Bear and think he will be a star but have not seen any Judd-like breakaway pace. Hope you are right. I see him in the Mitchell, Kennedy style of ball winner, with great vision and hands. Can see him as a regular goal kicker too. Just strikes me as,a real players' player. Ball magnet who,couwld finish high up
In a Brownlow down the track.
 

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Love the Bear and think he will be a star but have not seen any Judd-like breakaway pace. Hope you are right. I see him in the Mitchell, Kennedy style of ball winner, with great vision and hands. Can see him as a regular goal kicker too. Just strikes me as,a real players' player. Ball magnet who,couwld finish high up
In a Brownlow down the track.
I think Sier has the quickest 20-30 metre sprint at the footy club? If not definitely top 5. Someone on here will be able to pull his numbers up.

Watch the run down tackle at 3:50, and that hint of breakaway speed at 13:48.

Might be wishful thinking on my behalf but i think Sier has a few more tricks that will start coming out the more confidence he gets. He can be a great footballer regardless if he starts bursting from the packs or not.
 
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