List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency IV - hypotheticals etc. (Continued in Part V)

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Because they cost less and have the upside to develop into a "clear best 22 player". Everyone starts somewhere.
They've got no more upside and no less risk than any other player that's currently in the same position on our list at the moment. The percentage of players that don't get regular game time in their early years and go on to play 100 games is unsurprisingly very low. So picking up these two in place of using the list spots to secure some top talent is madness. And picking up these two at the expense of drafting players late, upgrading rookies or retaining the fringe players on our list at the moment is just shuffling the deck chairs around.

I don't know about you, but I'm truly sick of the only major involvement in trade and FA period being trying get fair compensation for our players who want out. It's pretty embarrassing that a club with list space, state of the art facilities and young players like Zach, Joe and Darcy can't entice anybody over that isn't washed up (Cooney) or almost delisted (Stewart). Bringing in Webb and Balic isn't a trade that's going to change our fortunes so why bother? Let's save our pennies and our trade discussions for some players that we should expect to be regular top tens in our best and fairest.
 

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Because they cost less and have the upside to develop into a "clear best 22 player". Everyone starts somewhere.

Joe is 23 - we aren't challenging yet.
Heppell 25
Hurley 27
Hooker 28

By the time we develop guys with upside and they become best 22 those 3 players mentioned will be at the end of their careers.need to strike now by getting ready made talent in the 22-25 age bracket imo.
 

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Because they cost less and have the upside to develop into a "clear best 22 player". Everyone starts somewhere.

Joe is 23 - we aren't challenging yet.
If you add the likes of Webb and Balic though, you need to offload Howlett and Bird (and to be honest I want both gone but not for players that are no better). To be honest I'd rather just put the time into the likes of Begley, Clarke, Mutch, Laverde, Langford, etc. and whoever we draft this year.

You don't just add players because they cost less than the likes of Hopper/Kennedy, with the chance that they might become best 22 somewhere down the line. If/when our current crop of younger players are up and going I can't see either of Webb or Balic being best 22.

Would much rather spend the currency on someone that will be best 22 (and it's something that the club also prefers to do, the only reason we got Bird was to ensure we got Pick 5 (which became Pick 6 after Mills was bid on) off the Saints). Hopper, Kennedy and Smith are my top 3 targets this year.
 
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If you add the likes of Webb and Balic though, you need to offload Howlett and Bird (and to be honest I want both gone but not for players that are no better). To be honest I'd rather just put the time into the likes of Begley, Clarke, Mutch, Laverde, Langford, etc. and whoever we draft this year.

You don't just add players because they cost less than the likes of Hopper/Kennedy, with the chance that they might become best 22 somewhere down the line. If/when our current crop of younger players are up and going I can't see either of Webb or Balic being best 22.

Would much rather spend the currency on someone that will be best 22 (and it's something that the club also prefers to do, the only reason we got Bird was to ensure we got Pick 5 (which became Pick 6 after Mills was bid on) off the Saints). Hopper, Kennedy and Smith are my top 3 targets this year.
Worsfold has mentioned that we will target players that fit our age profile. I think this years draft would be used to stock up talent for the future and we will use this years trade/FA period to get ready made talent to plug holes.
 
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There's no less risk paying one mid $1.1m instead of 3 young guys for the same cost? Yeah none... More like too many to mention from TPP to player morale and team psyche.

Young mids can come in and have more immediate impact than young forwards or defenders. Guys like Kennedy, Webb and Balic need one thing - midfield opportunity.

They would all get that here and develop rapidly next to guys in a similar bracket like Parish, Merrett and McGrath.

Our next forward partner for Joe when he is coming up to 25 is where the big $ should go, $1m+ offers anywhere else on the ground would be money wasted.

Hooker has at least another 2-3 years, Hurley another 5 and Heppell who the **** knows too long to even worry about!

We need to continue building a midfield capable of rotating through all parts of the ground;
Webb was drafted as a forward, has been playing back and learning that role in the seniors and leading the VFL clearances - he's a must.
Kennedy was playing off a back flank on Friday, still found 5 cp and had 4 clearances, good overhead and has a bag of 3 - check his footywire profile, he's the real deal
Balic has played mostly as a forward and kicked a goal against us, had plenty of upside as an inside mid as a junior and will cost nothing.

They are all gettable for less than a first round pick and would add to the dynamic of our team immediately given opportunity with the departure of Jobe and likely Myers, Stanton who shouldn't be best 22 next year.

Just because they aren't the big names you were hoping to hear doesn't mean they're no good!

Leaving our 1st to take to the bank or send over to SA when the snake nominates us
 
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If you add the likes of Webb and Balic though, you need to offload Howlett and Bird (and to be honest I want both gone but not for players that are no better). To be honest I'd rather just put the time into the likes of Begley, Clarke, Mutch, Laverde, Langford, etc. and whoever we draft this year.

You don't just add players because they cost less than the likes of Hopper/Kennedy, with the chance that they might become best 22 somewhere down the line. If/when our current crop of younger players are up and going I can't see either of Webb or Balic being best 22.

Would much rather spend the currency on someone that will be best 22 (and it's something that the club also prefers to do, the only reason we got Bird was to ensure we got Pick 5 (which became Pick 6 after Mills was bid on) off the Saints). Hopper, Kennedy and Smith are my top 3 targets this year.
I'm all for Kennedy ..I think he'll be much cheaper than Hopper. Who dps thinks is worth a top 10 pick! No thank you

You mean the Joe on track to win a Coleman? And the CHB on track for All-Australian?


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There's no less risk paying one mid $1.1m instead of 3 young guys for the same cost? Yeah none... More like too many to mention from TPP to player morale and team psyche.

Young mids can come in and have more immediate impact than young forwards or defenders. Guys like Kennedy, Webb and Balic need one thing - midfield opportunity.

They would all get that here and develop rapidly next to guys in a similar bracket like Parish, Merrett and McGrath.

Our next forward partner for Joe when he is coming up to 25 is where the big $ should go, $1m+ offers anywhere else on the ground would be money wasted.

Hooker has at least another 2-3 years, Hurley another 5 and Heppell who the **** knows too long to even worry about!

We need to continue building a midfield capable of rotating through all parts of the ground;
Webb was drafted as a forward, has been playing back and learning that role in the seniors and leading the VFL clearances - he's a must.
Kennedy was playing off a back flank on Friday, still found 5 cp and had 4 clearances, good overhead and has a bag of 3.
Balic has played mostly as a forward and kicked a goal against us, had plenty of upside as an inside mid as a junior and will cost nothing.

They are all gettable for less than a first round pick and would add to the dynamic of our team immediately given opportunity with the departure of Jobe and likely Myers, Stanton who shouldn't be best 22 next year.

Leaving our 1st to take to the bank or send over to SA when the snake nominates us
Putting 1.1mil into 3 guys is only a plan if you're looking to win the VFL premiership.

We are one good midfielder away from challenging. Better to pay the extra and get it right.


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Putting 1.1mil into 3 guys is only a plan if you're looking to win the VFL premiership.

We are one good midfielder away from challenging. Better to pay the extra and get it right.


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Yeah and what if he breaks down

If they were old, cooked VFL hopefuls I'd agree. But they are all highly rated youngsters who are starved of opportunity in their respective midfield groups.
 
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Balic would of played 10+ games this year if it was for his personal issues. Top 40 pick only in his second year. If we can grab him with a pick in the 60s, we'd be laughing. Worked out well for Stewart. Doubt we'd find a better talant than Balic with a pick that late. We aren't talking about a top 20 pick for him. People act as if we are.
 

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Worsfold has mentioned that we will target players that fit our age profile. I think this years draft would be used to stock up talent for the future and we will use this years trade/FA period to get ready made talent to plug holes.
Good, it'll mean our guys are all hitting their peaks at approximately the same time. While the likes of Hurley, Hooker, Zaharakis, etc. should still be playing reasonably good footy.
 
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We're not just putting all our eggs in the Hurley and Hooker baskets and spending money for a premiership straight away, as much as everyone would love that.

We will be trading and drafting to suit Daniher for the next 12-15 years, not the next 2-3 so hooker can see a flag. He may well anyway! That's not the age bracket John was talking about though - 23 and under if you're referring to the interview he did with destoop and Scotty Lucas.

The shape of that age bracket in 3 years will likely determine how much less Joe takes to keep them together and everything will be worked around him.
 
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We're not just putting all our eggs in the Hurley and Hooker baskets and spending money for a premiership straight away, as much as everyone would love that.

We will be trading and drafting to suit Daniher for the next 12-15 years, not the next 2-3 so hooker can see a flag. He may well anyway! That's not the age bracket John was talking about though - 23 and under if you're referring to the interview he did with destoop and Scotty Lucas.
Did Worsfold not mention a while ago that we need to strike now while also building for the future.
 
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Did Worsfold not mention a while ago that we need to strike now while also building for the future.
He was pretty clear on it having to be the "right one" cropping up to make a play at a big ticket mid. If that meant dusty I'm not sure but he's said plenty of times the midfield targets would be 23 and under ideally.
 

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We're not just putting all our eggs in the Hurley and Hooker baskets and spending money for a premiership straight away, as much as everyone would love that.

We will be trading and drafting to suit Daniher for the next 12-15 years, not the next 2-3 so hooker can see a flag. He may well anyway! That's not the age bracket John was talking about though - 23 and under if you're referring to the interview he did with destoop and Scotty Lucas.

The shape of that age bracket in 3 years will likely determine how much less Joe takes to keep them together and everything will be worked around him.
Hooker is done at 31. Daniher is good until he's 38. Seems legit.


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Hooker is done at 31. Daniher is good until he's 38. Seems legit.


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Picking the highest and lowest age from both ranges and trying to make a joke out of it! Lol that's bad

Given Hooker's injury history 31-33 is about right, and the advancements in recovery tech in 10 years time may see guys like Joe play well into their mid 30s and beyond. Fletcher did it anyway - Joe's a bit more in that mould.

Hooker may well play till he's 34+ at his size. Can see him dropping off before that though.
 
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I guess after the resounding success of picking up players who just needed more opportunity like Skipworth, Prismall, Aylett and Edwards, I can totally see why we should keep spinning the roulette wheel on players who are probably never going to make it, but we can still dream right???
 
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