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People are missing two very important pieces of information regarding Astbury.
1- Have you been to Brisbane?
2- (and this is the main one) Greg Denham said....
On 1. Brisbane is much like the state of Queensland, it would be fine if it didn't have so many Queenslanders living there.

On 2. True.
 

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Before trade: 1, 20, 39, 57, 75, 93, 113
Out
Matthew Watson, Blaine Johnson, Cameron Giles, Fraser Russell, Chris Judd, Andrew Carrazzo, David Ellard, Lachie Henderson, Tom Bell, Menzel.

After trade: 1, 8, 20, 21, 59, 60, 113
In
Sam Kerridge, Lachie Plowman, Jed Lamb, Andrew Phillips, Liam Sumner.
I like this
 

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Take a timeout Lids, we know you're passion but we don't need that thrown at us. We've heard it all before.
I'm throwing it at posters who take issue with my suggestions that we need to be more aggressive in order to contend. I love this club and after 3 years of similar heartbreak we have to be aggressive or risk suffering the same fate going forward.
 

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There is a difference between being negative and realistic

Too many here have extreme requirements. We "must" have a doozy, we must win every trade, we must have every negotiation be a win

World isn't like that. We are competing in a world of 18 highly competitive clubs, with scores of managers, and over 900 potential players, and this dynamic is constantly shifting

If you approach this with rigidity in expectation, you are doomed to fail

We need to be accountable, but also realistic. People wanting BH sacked for failing to secure Bennell and treloar really are kidding themselves
Agree on your post, I am merely talking about the direct quote of Richmond not looking like winning a final in 15 years etc.

I would much rather the club lean towards draft than farm selling for talent to trade in.
 

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Aggressive in general, not in negotiating. In the last 4 years our football department has continually stated how happy they are with our list and the confidence they have in our coaching staff. Sorry but this years loss should be a warning sign that we do need to top up with some talent. Natural development isn't going to springboard us from elimination finalists to contenders. It hasn't in 3 years and it won't going forward.
We tried that approach in the 80's and 90's. I know you were too young to remember, but being aggressive nearly destroyed our club three times, and saw us a permanent feature in the bottom quarter of the ladder, with players and coaches loathing to come to us

We do not want to repeat those mistakes
 

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Thought you guys were meant to be a good team. Yarran is the bloke you get as the last piece of the puzzle, he won't win his own ball, but when he's got it there's no one better, his a first class downhill skier and they are very useful and damaging in the right environment.

We've been poor for a while so you won't see his worth, but if you guys think you are ready to compete and have a good enough list to compensate for his defincientcies then you'll be rewarded by his offensive line breaking.

We have already dealt with 4 clubs this offseason, I don't think we are the ones being unreasonable.
Yarran is the bloke we plonk Morris on to shut out of the game

If any player can get shut out by Morris, they're not worth pick 12
 

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Highly doubt the club will swap picks with Hawks. It equate to this:
Yarran + 18 for 12 + 2 x second round picks....
Sounds like some wishful hawthorn supporter on bigfooty tbh
 

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An assessment of Carltoon's trade period (LOL SOS)

http://www.theroar.com.au/2015/10/22/carlton-had-a-good-trade-period-spare-me/

Carlton have the worst list in the AFL, of that there is no doubt.

When I had a look at their playing stocks in June, what I found was a capped-out, old, strikingly mediocre bunch of bench scrubs, depth players and good-not-great stars,

The re-arrival of Stephen Silvagni, the supposed architect of Greater Western Sydney’s list build, and departure of much of the previous football administration which plied their trade in the Mick Malthouse era, bought with it the promise of a new direction. The fawning over his return was a white stallion short of a medieval fairytale.

(Just quietly, I reckon a 12-year-old with a box of crayons could have built a decent list out of 12 underage pre-listed players and 11 top 15 picks in a pretty deep draft.)

Well, that lasted all of four months. Make no mistake, Carlton have had an absolutely dreadful trade period, and done almost exactly the opposite of what they should have done as far as recalibrating their list goes.

The simplest way to go about this is to split out their activity into player movements and draft pick movements. This is what the trade period has yielded the Navy Blues in net player terms, including pre-October retirements and delistings.

Out
Matthew Watson, Blaine Johnson, Cameron Giles, Fraser Russell, Chris Judd, Andrew Carrazzo, David Ellard, Lachie Henderson, Tom Bell, Menzel.

In
Sam Kerridge, Lachie Plowman, Jed Lamb, Andrew Phillips, Liam Sumner.

You can probably add Chris Yarran to that list of outs before the end of today, too.

Carlton have lost two of their best young players in Tom Bell (in large part for reasons outside of football) and Menzel, and two above average, prime-age players in Yarran and Lachie Henderson.

The losses of Chris Judd and Andrew Carrazzo were at worst neutral propositions as far as list building goes, given both were 32 and a near zero chance of being AFL standard players by the time the Blues are next contending. The delisted deadwood is nothing more than that.

In their place come Sam Kerridge from Adelaide, and a pu-pu platter of Greater Western Sydney players that couldn’t make the team on a regular basis.

The fact that the Giants gave Carlton their 2015 first round pick as part of this deal, and that these four players are moving to the same place that the guy who recruited them just moved to, should send a shiver down the spine of every Carlton fan.

But wait! It’s all about the draft picks, right? Their draft position looks a little like this:

Before trade: 1, 20, 39, 57, 75, 93, 113

After trade: 1, 8, 20, 21, 59, 60, 113
Fantastic assessment, truly priceless.
 
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