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They are very unlikely to get done buddy. Saad and Smith are really any clubs. Stringer the most likely to end up at Essendon but he has not even nominated them. Bluff from Dodero could prove very costly here, needs to show some balls and get at least one of the players quickly. Stringer will not play for the dogs but looking very likely he will sit the year out.
All gets done in the second week as always. Trade week is 4 days too long. All three trades will get done. No player sits the year out because of a failed trade. Dogs know he won't come back. Massive **** up by Bevo.
 

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They are very unlikely to get done buddy. Saad and Smith are really any clubs. Stringer the most likely to end up at Essendon but he has not even nominated them. Bluff from Dodero could prove very costly here, needs to show some balls and get at least one of the players quickly. Stringer will not play for the dogs but looking very likely he will sit the year out.
All 3 have nominated Essendon (note ESSENDON, not VICTORIAN CLUBS) they are not "any clubs". If you're just going to come onto our board and shit stir like you are you will end up being banned or something.

We are not the ones that're bluffing, holding out, or holding things up that's your mob. Admitting Stringer will sit out the year if he doesn't get to us now are we? Show's how much bargaining power the Dogs have, I'll give you a hint....NONE :tearsofjoy:
 

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They are very unlikely to get done buddy. Saad and Smith are really any clubs. Stringer the most likely to end up at Essendon but he has not even nominated them. Bluff from Dodero could prove very costly here, needs to show some balls and get at least one of the players quickly. Stringer will not play for the dogs but looking very likely he will sit the year out.
No, we're getting there and if we can keep 2018 pick one, which is starting to look like a real option, then that would be superb.
 

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They are very unlikely to get done buddy. Saad and Smith are really any clubs. Stringer the most likely to end up at Essendon but he has not even nominated them. Bluff from Dodero could prove very costly here, needs to show some balls and get at least one of the players quickly. Stringer will not play for the dogs but looking very likely he will sit the year out.
If they're all 'very unlikely' then we'll get to the end of next week with zero trades in the books. We've put our cards on the table, no bluffs, no mucking around, and have had what has been reported as very positive discussions with the two northern clubs so at this stage it quite certainly looks like the Dogs are the ones dragging their feet. We see pathways, the media see pathways, I see pathways.

This is a league where the nail that sticks out gets hammered and people have long memories, so I'd be very careful about how you go about Stringer's (hopefully amicable) departure. 'Essendon is hard to deal with' started about 13 years ago and is still going strong, It's starting to look like 'Footscray treat their players like shit' starts now and could well last just as long.
 

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Are you saying that the Dogs use two second round picks for West? Why would they go for that?
Because it's comparable to the value of their 1st pick points wise. So even though they lose their 2018 1st, they get back our 2018 2nd which, when combined with their own 2018 2nd, can be upgraded to a 1st rounder under the F/S points system. They also get our pick 30 this year to make up having to use their 2nd rounder next year for West.

Basically, it evens out to: we lose 11 + 30 (2nd rounder), Dogs lose Stringer + 2018 2nd rounder.
 

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If they're all 'very unlikely' then we'll get to the end of next week with zero trades in the books. We've put our cards on the table, no bluffs, no mucking around, and have had what has been reported as very positive discussions with the two northern clubs so at this stage it quite certainly looks like the Dogs are the ones dragging their feet. We see pathways, the media see pathways, I see pathways.

This is a league where the nail that sticks out gets hammered and people have long memories, so I'd be very careful about how you go about Stringer's (hopefully amicable) departure. 'Essendon is hard to deal with' started about 13 years ago and is still going strong, It's starting to look like 'Footscray treat their players like shit' starts now and could well last just as long.
I'd say the Dogs are now the "want their cake and to eat it too" club.
The Crows are the temper tantrum club.
 

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It costs them a pick next year, but they make it up this year by getting our 30. It's basically pick-swapping the 2nd rounder from next year to this year.

So from the Dogs' perspective it's basically: proposed trade (2017: 9, 11, 27, 30 | 2018: F/S using WB 2nd + Ess 2nd) vs. Stringer for 11 straight up (2017: 9, 11, 27 | 2018: WB 1st (to be used on F/S), WB 2nd)
Well I'm confused.
If I've understood this right, the proposed trade has us giving up 2017 11 and 30 and 2018 2nd, and gaining Stringer and WB 2018 1st. We then have to somehow convert WB 2018 1st into Saad and Smith, via deals with GC and GWS
If so, why wouldn't we just give WB pick 11 for Stringer straight up, as they are demanding, and then use 30 and our 2018 second to get Saad and Smith?
Seems to me pretty much the same thing.
I don't think we need to do the 2018 pick swap with WB to assist with their F/S West manoeuvring, as the simpler trade delivers all they want.
Is it necessary because we don't think 30 and our 2018 2nd will be enough to get us both Saad and Smith, whereas WB 2018 1st would be enough?
 

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Well I'm confused.
If I've understood this right, the proposed trade has us giving up 2017 11 and 30 and 2018 2nd, and gaining Stringer and WB 2018 1st. We then have to somehow convert WB 2018 1st into Saad and Smith, via deals with GC and GWS
In this scenario, we use the 2018 1st that we've received from the Dogs to trade for Saad + 23. Reports suggest that the Suns have been asking for our 1st rounder for Saad + 23; we're supposedly trying to talk them into giving up 20 instead. We then on-trade 20/23 for Smith, which is about his value given his recent injury history and contact status.

Or, visa versa. Maybe WB 2018 1st for Smith + 25, then trade 25 for Saad.
If so, why wouldn't we just give WB pick 11 for Stringer straight up, as they are demanding, and then use 30 and our 2018 second to get Saad and Smith?
Seems to me pretty much the same thing.
I seriously doubt the Suns or GWS would accept 30 for either Saad or Smith. They're a bit better than that.

I don't think we need to do the 2018 pick swap with WB to assist with their F/S West manoeuvring, as the simpler trade delivers all they want.
Is it necessary because we don't think 30 and our 2018 2nd will be enough to get us both Saad and Smith, whereas WB 2018 1st would be enough?
Basically.

This is all a hypothetical trade that originated on SEN, by the way. Not saying this is anything close to what will happen.
 
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All you have to do is give Gold Coast a fair deal and then he is all yours. Simple. Offer someone who can get a game in your best 22 (not Colyer, Bird, Francis, or any of the others mentioned here). If you want your three SSS, give someone up.
"Someone from our best 22" includes Colyer. He played every game he was available for this year, 22 I think.
 

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This is from the Doggies board.....

Stringer isn't going anywhere. It's Bev's way of getting through to a bloke that has read too much of his own press. Sometimes confident blokes just need to be torn down a few pegs and rebuilt in the coaches image.

Sorry Essendon. You've been a mere pawn in this game and played right into our hands. We were never going to let him go and the fact that you offered unders works out brilliantly for us. We now look like we were forced to keep him, his confidence is knocked for 6 and now Bev looks like the good guy when he takes him under his wing. Thank you very much.

Stringer plays at the Dogs next year, and plays well. Bookmark it.

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Because it's comparable to the value of their 1st pick points wise. So even though they lose their 2018 1st, they get back our 2018 2nd which, when combined with their own 2018 2nd, can be upgraded to a 1st rounder under the F/S points system. They also get our pick 30 this year to make up having to use their 2nd rounder next year for West.

Basically, it evens out to: we lose 11 + 30 (2nd rounder), Dogs lose Stringer + 2018 2nd rounder.
I'm with BrunoV on this. Let's say WB and Ess finish mid table next year and their 2nd rounders are say WB 27 and Ess 28.
If West is bid on before pick 27, post deal they will have to use at least one of 27 and 28, maybe both, depending on when the bid comes, to get the points for West. If they don't do the deal and keep their 2018 1st rounder, which would be 9 under the mid table finish assumption, any bid on West after 9 but before 27 would enable them to get a high value kid other than West with pick 9, and then use their 2nd rounder plus later picks to make up the points for West.
The second alternative is better.
 

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I'm with BrunoV on this. Let's say WB and Ess finish mid table next year and their 2nd rounders are say WB 27 and Ess 28.
If West is bid on before pick 27, post deal they will have to use at least one of 27 and 28, maybe both, depending on when the bid comes, to get the points for West. If they don't do the deal and keep their 2018 1st rounder, which would be 9 under the mid table finish assumption, any bid on West after 9 but before 27 would enable them to get a high value kid other than West with pick 9, and then use their 2nd rounder plus later picks to make up the points for West.
The second alternative is better.
All true. However, the Dogs would be backing themselves to finish higher than midtable, and they'd be hoping that a club doesn't nominate West before their 1st pick (some club might take the risk and go early on him). They may also be interested in our pick 30 this year as it will allow them to trade for Crozier this week while keeping themselves in the 2nd round.

As said, this is a purely hypothetical scenario, but it's the best I've seen from our perspective if we're looking to secure SSS. The Dogs might not go for it, but I think it would allow the Smith + Saad deals to get done without much trouble... because I really don't see how we get those two with only 30 & next year's 2nd (which could be another pick around the 30 mark) to play with.
 
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