Trade hypotheticals

[Rimmer]

When considering trades which involve your own club its virtually impossible to come up with a win/win scenario. We generally overvalue our own or undervalue them if we have taken a dislike to them for some reason.

Some suggestions are just embarrassing and invite rebuke. I like Clark to Geelong because a future at sleepy hollow gives him the best chance to avoid stress and have any chance of making a successful come back. A fit focused Clark would be a welcome starter with any team but it will be harder for him to thrive if he is under the limelight and his new club dependent on him.

Collingwood are going to be shafted on Beams if they trade, he would be an untouchable under normal circumstances and Collingwood would not consider swapping him even for the first 2 draft choices, anymore than they would consider trading Pendles. I hope they can negotiate a long term deal with him and send him off on unlimited compassionate leave even if it means losing him for all of 2015... when he did return his appreciation and dedication to Collingwood would be prodigious... fight for him Collingwood.

For the moment day by day i watch in eager anticipation to see what will happen between all clubs.

One thing is for sure, any player your club does bring in you will embrace and see them as much better players just because they have become one of your own.

 

[Dom PC]

Beams >> Brisbane
Pick 4 and Merrett >> Melbourne
Pick 2 >> Collingwood

Collingwood don't get a mature player, but it is an upgrade on pick 4.

 

[daniel23]

if i was brisbane i would have no problem trading away someone like jack redden and possibly there second for beams , he's a good footballer but beams is elite , plus the emergence of aish along with hanley into the midfield he won't be missed at all, gives them every opportunity to keep pick 4 and recruit a tall forward that they are crying out for

 

[slowedawg]

Beams >> Brisbane
Pick 4 and Merrett >> Melbourne
Pick 2 >> Collingwood
Collingwood don't get a mature player, but it is an upgrade on pick 4.

Merrett is not worth a downgrade from 2 to 4.

 

[dazbroncos]

How about Mitch Clark, #23 & #60 for Vacoe, Blicavs & #70?

finish your homework before you post….

No. Just no.

GO Catters

 

[captain cotch 9]

How much would Melbourne pay for a player that has played 15 games in 3 years, has a terrible injury record and has/is (not sure if he is over it) suffering from a metal condition?

He is worth a 3rd round pick at best. Its a massive risk. Not worth it IMO.

 

[demon21]

How much would Melbourne pay for a player that has played 15 games in 3 years, has a terrible injury record and has/is (not sure if he is over it) suffering from a metal condition?

He is worth a 3rd round pick at best. Its a massive risk. Not worth it IMO.

If Geel trade there 3rd round pick for Clark its not a risk at all if it doesn't work out big deal they waste a 3rd round pick, if it does work out its a huge advantage for them.

 

[Dom PC]

if i was brisbane i would have no problem trading away someone like jack redden and possibly there second for beams , he's a good footballer but beams is elite , plus the emergence of aish along with hanley into the midfield he won't be missed at all, gives them every opportunity to keep pick 4 and recruit a tall forward that they are crying out for

Rockliff and Redden have the biggest bromance in the AFL. They wont be separated. Your logic is sound though

Merrett is not worth a downgrade from 2 to 4.

Fair enough; I'd be surprised if you guys got him without giving up your 2nd round pick (or a player equivalent) though. It would be pointless giving up our 29 year old premier full back who is contracted for another two years for anything less IMO.

Would Jack Watts be tradable? If so, what would you expect to get for him in a trade?

 

[Dom PC]

How much would Melbourne pay for a player that has played 15 games in 3 years, has a terrible injury record and has/is (not sure if he is over it) suffering from a metal condition?

He is worth a 3rd round pick at best. Its a massive risk. Not worth it IMO.

He is worth Geelong's 2nd round pick. Pretty cheap bargain to get M.Clark for a draft pick past 50, I doubt Melbourne would even want to use a pick that late in this draft.

 

[bloke_]

Hawthorn
IN : O'Rourke, Pick 12
OUT Lowden, Hallahan, Schoenmakers, Pick 19

West Coast
IN: Lowden
OUT: Pick 29

GWS
IN: Hallahan + Pick 29
OUT: O'Rourke

Fremantle
IN: Schoenmakers, Pick 19
OUT: Pick 12

I don't know. Not really keen. For a start West Coast don't need rucks and if they wanted Lowden they wouldn't need to offer pick 29. He's got no value.

Fremantle will want to hold their first round pick unless something really good eventuates

 

[Lemma]

Yeh agree Lowden will come cheaper than pick 29

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Hawthorn
IN : O'Rourke, Pick 12
OUT Lowden, Hallahan, Schoenmakers, Pick 19

West Coast
IN: Lowden
OUT: Pick 29

GWS
IN: Hallahan + Pick 29
OUT: O'Rourke

Fremantle
IN: Schoenmakers, Pick 19
OUT: Pick 12

I'd be considering Hallahan for 29... but not Lowden

More than likely we will use our last pick on a ruck. So about 65.

That undervalues Lowden, but we just need back up in case of injury. You don't trade 2nd round picks for someone to sit in the WAFL all year.

 

[slowedawg]

Fair enough; I'd be surprised if you guys got him without giving up your 2nd round pick (or a player equivalent) though. It would be pointless giving up our 29 year old premier full back who is contracted for another two years for anything less IMO.

Would Jack Watts be tradable? If so, what would you expect to get for him in a trade?

Doubtful we'd give pick 20-21 for Merrett though. Maybe if we ended up with a later second round pick somehow is say that'd be about his currency.

Watts is a bit like Merrett I think, what we want is way over what anyone would pay for him. I think he's relatively happy with Melbourne these days though.

 

[BlueMaster1]

What about this one

Melbourne received pick 3 as compo for James Frawley

Melbourne trade picks 2,3 for Dangerfiled

Adelaide trade pick 3 for Schomakers,Lowden and pick 19

As that fair

 

[bloke_]

What about this one

Melbourne received pick 3 as compo for James Frawley

Melbourne trade picks 2,3 for Dangerfiled

Adelaide trade pick 3 for Schomakers,Lowden and pick 19

As that fair

Adelaide getting ripped off in the last one

 

[LukeParkerno1]

What about this one

Melbourne received pick 3 as compo for James Frawley

Melbourne trade picks 2,3 for Dangerfiled

Adelaide trade pick 3 for Schomakers,Lowden and pick 19

As that fair

Lol! Why would Adelaide bother, they will get a better player at pick 3 in that case

 

[VandoHawk]

New to this site, so hopefully this post isn't a complete waste of my breath.

Adelaide are rumored to be interested in Shoenmakers (no doubt to replenish defensive depth) are in need of another ruckman to support Sam Jacobs. Lowden has requested a trade due to lack of opportunity, and while it was orginally reported he was keen on Port Adelaide the arrival of (most likely) Ryder and Gorringe means that Lowden will find himself in the same situation at Hawthorn (4th best ruckman) which is what he wants to avoid.

Lowden+ Shoenmakers to Adelaide---> Pick 9 to Hawthorn

Lowden on his own is probably worth a Second Round Pick as his debut was extremely impressive against considerable ruck opposition in (if my memory doesn't fail me) Cox and Naitanui. His VFL form has also been stellar, and he is probably the most goal savvy ruckman on Hawthorn's list bar Hale. I'd love to keep Lowden, but he has been starved of opportunities and whether to Adelaide or not I wish him the best of luck at another club. Don't berate his value-a young ruckman who has been groomed for years and is an extremely good size (204cm and 102kg) is hard to come by.

Shoenmakers, while is somewhat of a whipping boy, has proved himself as a capable defender and swingman and will probably find stifled opportunities at Hawthorn if Frawley joins the nest. This is because Kaiden Brand is being groomed to probably be the next CHF, and his size is bigger than Shoenmakers. As long as he (Shoenmakers) isn't isolated 1 on 1 he is an extremely potent attacking defender with good athleticism and a magnificent kick.

Both of these players are young (both 23) and would fill Adelaide's needs both immediately and in the long term. Perhaps a sweetener deal could be done where Adelaide trades their 3rd round pick for Hawthorn's second, similar to what St. Kilda and Hawthorn did in the McEvoy trade.

There's a rumor of a 3 way trade between Hawthorn, Carlton and Greater Western Sydney where:

Pick 18 to Carlton (From Hawthorn) --->Pick 6 to GWS (From Carlton)--->Jaksch to Carlton and O'Rourke to Hawthorn (From GWS)

This would benefit all 3 clubs, but there is a possibility of St. Kilda intervening with a better offer. If this is the case, then Hawthorn (who are extremely keen to secure O'Rourke to replenish it's aging list with players with potential) could possibly offer to trade Pick 9 (if the hypothetical comes true) for O'Rourke while retaining pick 18. With pick 18 alone Hawthorn will probably miss out.

Players like Hallahan could also be potential trade bait, as he (Hallahan) has fallen behind the pecking order of players like Langford and Woodward and with the return of Anderson and Whitecross could find himself starved of opportunities. Kyle Cheney, who has been solid for Hawthorn in the absence of key defenders, could also prove attractive though I think he is a valuable depth player for Hawthorn and we would be keen to keep him.

Hallahan could go for a second round pick, while Cheeny a third at best. I could see some developing clubs who need inside midfielders loom for Hallahan's signature.

 

[slowedawg]

Two second rounders do not equal a first rounder.

 

[Periphery]

Two second rounders do not equal a first rounder.

Pick 19+20 (the first two second rounders) are worth more than 18 (the last first rounder). Hell, even the first and last second rounder would be worth more than the last first rounder.

 

[Silent Alarm]

Zac Clarke for Schoenmakers/Litherland and Ben Stratton? Hawks chock-full of rucks I know...

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Zac Clarke for Schoenmakers/Litherland and Ben Stratton? Hawks chock-full of rucks I know...

Stratton and Litherland I doubt would be anywhere near the trade table. Stratton is a critical player for them, Litherland the same going forward. Clarke isn't worth that much as well you would need pick 12 in there AT LEAST to even tempt the Hawks. Quantity does not equal quality.

 

[Shaneprice97]

Zac Clarke for Schoenmakers/Litherland and Ben Stratton? Hawks chock-full of rucks I know...

Clarke isnt worth Stratton alone, let alone Shoenmakers or Litherland to go with stratton..

 

[bloke_]

Stratton and Litherland I doubt would be anywhere near the trade table. Stratton is a critical player for them, Litherland the same going forward. Clarke isn't worth that much as well you would need pick 12 in there AT LEAST to even tempt the Hawks. Quantity does not equal quality.

Pick 12 is well overs for Stratton.
Clarke is probably just overs for Shoey/Litherland.

How is 12+Clarke remotely fair for us?

 

[Oddhawk]

How about a simple one

12 for Birchall

 

[george2]

As good as Stratton has been a player I think if you take him out of that Hawthorn backline and there structure and put him in another team I think he would struggle. He is a very important player for the Hawks though