Trade hypotheticals

[dipper86]

GWS lose: O'rourke
GWS gain: Patfull

North lose: Greenwood
North gain: O'rourke

Collingwood lose: Beams
Collingwood gain: pick 5, Greenwood

Brisbane lose: pick 5, Patfull
Brisbane gain: Beams

Sounds pretty good for everyone except GWS....why would GWS give up getting a first rounder for O'Rourke when they can pick up Patfull for a mid to late second rounder.

 

[Dom PC]

How about this:

Beams and 28 >> Brisbane
Pick 4, 21 and Greenwood >> Collingwood
Pick 25 and Lester >> North
Patfull and pick 36 >> GWS

 

[Nintendo Jones]

How about this:

Beams and 28 >> Brisbane
Pick 4, 21 and Greenwood >> Collingwood
Pick 25 and Lester >> North
Patfull and pick 36 >> GWS

So Brisbane give up 2 players and their first 2 picks for Beams and 28??????

 

[c4v3m4n99]

GWS lose: O'rourke
GWS gain: Patfull + 54

North lose: Greenwood + 54
North gain: O'rourke

Collingwood lose: Beams
Collingwood gain: pick 5, Greenwood

Brisbane lose: pick 5, Patfull
Brisbane gain: Beams

See changes above. Reckon North would have to throw in that little bit more to GWS. But, I'd accept that.

 

[Punchy Demons]

GWS lose: O'rourke
GWS gain: Patfull

North lose: Greenwood
North gain: O'rourke

Collingwood lose: Beams
Collingwood gain: pick 5, Greenwood

Brisbane lose: pick 5, Patfull
Brisbane gain: Beams

From an outsiders point of view, this looks fair to all four clubs!

 

[Punchy Demons]

Sounds pretty good for everyone except GWS....why would GWS give up getting a first rounder for O'Rourke when they can pick up Patfull for a mid to late second rounder.

He can just walk in psd to saints for nothing anyway so they may accept this.

It's not that far from being equal anyway JOR is worth very late 1st/early 2nd. Patfull is worth mid 2nd round & gives GWS that mature defender.

 

[Punchy Demons]

For the Blues fans:

What do you expect for Garlett?

We don't have a 3rd rnd pick & he clearly isn't worth more then that anyway. By all reports Blues are super keen to move him on. I'd imagine we offer our 4th rnd pick or a player eg Blease

I'm happy to get him for next to nothing but I wouldn't give up much for him.

 

[Nintendo Jones]

For the Blues fans:

What do you expect for Garlett?

We don't have a 3rd rnd pick & he clearly isn't worth more then that anyway. By all reports Blues are super keen to move him on. I'd imagine we offer our 4th rnd pick or a player eg Blease

I'm happy to get him for next to nothing but I wouldn't give up much for him.

I thought 3rd rounder sounded fair, but you guys have used that on Stretch yeah?

 

[Beer n Skittles]

For the Blues fans:

What do you expect for Garlett?

We don't have a 3rd rnd pick & he clearly isn't worth more then that anyway. By all reports Blues are super keen to move him on. I'd imagine we offer our 4th rnd pick or a player eg Blease

I'm happy to get him for next to nothing but I wouldn't give up much for him.

I doubt any clubs above us will be using a 4th round pick, including Melbourne. So if Carlton were so inclined to use a 4th round pick they'd just use their own.

I'd like to swap 2nd round picks, Melbourne use the lower 2nd round on Lumumba & Carlton can at least go back to GWS with a slightly higher pick to try & get Jaksch.

 

[4thchicken]

For the Blues fans:

What do you expect for Garlett?

We don't have a 3rd rnd pick & he clearly isn't worth more then that anyway. By all reports Blues are super keen to move him on. I'd imagine we offer our 4th rnd pick or a player eg Blease

I'm happy to get him for next to nothing but I wouldn't give up much for him.

People have short memories. Melbourne's leading goal kickers for the past 3 seasons have managed 29 (2012), 28 (2013) & 20 (2014) goals for the year.

In his previous 4 seasons, Garlett averaged 39.75 goals/season.

Even in an extremely poor season, garlett's 12 goals/9 games had him on track to kick 29 goals for the season ie would easily have topped Melbourne's goal kicking for the year (and the past 3 years).

For the first time since his debut season, garlett has underperformed and now he is worth nothing more than a delisted player from a bottom team? (blease)

 

[bloke_]

People have short memories. Melbourne's leading goal kickers for the past 3 seasons have managed 29 (2012), 28 (2013) & 20 (2014) goals for the year.

In his previous 4 seasons, Garlett averaged 39.75 goals/season.

Even in an extremely poor season, garlett's 12 goals/9 games had him on track to kick 29 goals for the season ie would easily have topped Melbourne's goal kicking for the year (and the past 3 years).

For the first time since his debut season, garlett has underperformed and now he is worth nothing more than a delisted player from a bottom team? (blease)

You're right. We'll give you Fyfe

 

[melonhead2011]

Have just seen the following 4 way trade proposed;

Brisbane
In: Beams, Pick 4
Out: Pick 5, Patfull

Collingwood
In: Treloar, Greenwood
Out: Beams

GWS
In: Pick 5, Patfull
Out Treloar, O'Rourke, Pick 4

North Melbourne
In: O'Rourke
Out: Greenwood.


Except for GWS offering up pick 4, the rest of the deal would make a fair bit of sense.

If GWS were to hand over a late teens pick or perharps an early 20's pick then the deal could get done. To do that though there would need to be another trade happen first or another club get involved given GWS used their pick 23 in the academy bidding.

 

[Taylor]

GWS is coughing up three top ten picks there for Patful and pick 4.

 

[bloke_]

Have just seen the following 4 way trade proposed;

Brisbane
In: Beams, Pick 4
Out: Pick 5, Patfull

Collingwood
In: Treloar, Greenwood
Out: Beams

GWS
In: Pick 5, Patfull
Out Treloar, O'Rourke, Pick 4

North Melbourne
In: O'Rourke
Out: Greenwood.


Except for GWS offering up pick 4, the rest of the deal would make a fair bit of sense.

If GWS were to hand over a late teens pick or perharps an early 20's pick then the deal could get done. To do that though there would need to be another trade happen first or another club get involved given GWS used their pick 23 in the academy bidding.

Just get rid of the pick 4 trade altogether and it's fine

 

[4thchicken]

You're right. We'll give you Fyfe

You wouldnt - but given that morabito has done nothing since 2010, that MAY be a fair trade

 

[c4v3m4n99]

Have just seen the following 4 way trade proposed;

Brisbane
In: Beams, Pick 4
Out: Pick 5, Patfull

Collingwood
In: Treloar, Greenwood
Out: Beams

GWS
In: Pick 5, Patfull
Out Treloar, O'Rourke, Pick 4

North Melbourne
In: O'Rourke
Out: Greenwood.


Except for GWS offering up pick 4, the rest of the deal would make a fair bit of sense.

If GWS were to hand over a late teens pick or perharps an early 20's pick then the deal could get done. To do that though there would need to be another trade happen first or another club get involved given GWS used their pick 23 in the academy bidding.

Essentially, you're saying Beams = Patfull + one pick upgrade. Brisbane would take that and run.

Similarly, you're saying Patful + pick downgrade = Treloar + O'Rourke. GWS would laugh that off.

As for Collingwood, they'd love that deal too. Greenwood + Treloar for Beams. Overs.

North is about the only one that's near balanced there.

No offence, but start again.

 

[Punchy Demons]

Have just seen the following 4 way trade proposed;

Brisbane
In: Beams, Pick 4
Out: Pick 5, Patfull

Collingwood
In: Treloar, Greenwood
Out: Beams

GWS
In: Pick 5, Patfull
Out Treloar, O'Rourke, Pick 4

North Melbourne
In: O'Rourke
Out: Greenwood.


Except for GWS offering up pick 4, the rest of the deal would make a fair bit of sense.

If GWS were to hand over a late teens pick or perharps an early 20's pick then the deal could get done. To do that though there would need to be another trade happen first or another club get involved given GWS used their pick 23 in the academy bidding.

GWS have said shiel is more valuable then #3. Treloar is a better player than shiel so I'm not sure how #5 suddenly cuts the mustard for an even higher rated player?

 

[The Falcon Strike]

For the Blues fans:

What do you expect for Garlett?

We don't have a 3rd rnd pick & he clearly isn't worth more then that anyway. By all reports Blues are super keen to move him on. I'd imagine we offer our 4th rnd pick or a player eg Blease

I'm happy to get him for next to nothing but I wouldn't give up much for him.

Upgrade the second rounder? About 28 to 23 - probably too much...

The deal for Clark/Lumumba might shake loose some picks

 

[Punchy Demons]

I doubt any clubs above us will be using a 4th round pick, including Melbourne. So if Carlton were so inclined to use a 4th round pick they'd just use their own.

I'd like to swap 2nd round picks, Melbourne use the lower 2nd round on Lumumba & Carlton can at least go back to GWS with a slightly higher pick to try & get Jaksch.

I'm not trying to be offensive but if the media are right, no club wants Garlett.

I can't see us dropping down the 2nd rnd for him. If that's what Blues wanted I wouldn't bother with him.

Is he contracted? If so you will keep him.
If he's out if contract we can either trade said pick, wait until 1st list lodgement & he's delisted & pick up via delisted FA rules or draft him via PSD.

I'm not fussed if he gets to MFC but I wouldn't pay much for him.

 

[c4v3m4n99]

Brisbane
In: Beams,
Out: Pick 5, Patfull

Collingwood
In: Treloar, Greenwood
Out: Beams, Pick 30

GWS
In: Pick 5, Patfull, Pick 30, Pick 54
Out Treloar, O'Rourke

North Melbourne
In: O'Rourke
Out: Greenwood, Pick 54

If something were to occur involving all of those players, this would be fairer, maybe a few sweetener picks here and there.

 

[Nintendo Jones]

Brisbane
In: Beams,
Out: Pick 5, Patfull

Collingwood
In: Treloar, Greenwood
Out: Beams, Pick 30

GWS
In: Pick 5, Patfull, Pick 30
Out Treloar, O'Rourke

North Melbourne
In: O'Rourke
Out: Greenwood

If something were to occur involving all of those players, this would be fairer, maybe a few sweetener picks here and there.

GWS probably need a bit more

 

[c4v3m4n99]

GWS probably need a bit more

Probably, best shot might be pick 54 from North.

 

[coryne]

Upgrade the second rounder? About 28 to 23 - probably too much...

The deal for Clark/Lumumba might shake loose some picks

I still cannot see how a +39 goal/year small forward (Which Garlett has achieved x3 times in the last four years) is only worth a 5 spot upgrade on a 2nd rd pick .......... Krakouer was worth #25 after a couple of years in Jail, and Garlett isn't anywhere near that situation. Sure his value is at a low point (and I would MUCH rather keep him and get him back on track next year) but calls for a 4th rd selection of a small pick upgrade are crap.


Put it this way. Melbourne claim Frawley wasn't a top 20 defender this year because he was played as a forward
Even at Garlett's worst year (this year) he almost averaged twice as many goals as Frawley, and was 3 behind in total goals.
Frawley = #3 as far as Melbourne supporters are concerned

Surely Garlett would thus be worth their 2nd rd selection

 

[eaglespremiers]

So apparently we're keen on Varcoe.
How do we make the trade happen?

 

[slashin_velvet]

Treloar and family are reportedly mad Carlton. Robinson was linked with a move to Collingwood.

Brisbane
In: Beams,
Out: Pick 5, Patfull

Collingwood
In: Robinson, Pick 5
Out: Beams

GWS
In: Pick 7, Patfull
Out Treloar

Carlton
In: Treloar
Out: Pick 7, Robinson

Not sure what needs to be added/moved to balance it out a touch more. Carlton obviously getting the best out of that deal.