Mega Thread Trade Period: Lets get that delisted guy. He could be good, yeah?

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If everyone who is against Chappy could look outside the square and realise as a business proposition it makes a lot of sense.

1. It intensifies our rivalry with Geelong, imagine the marketing that would go on? You could almost guarantee 85k
2. He is a big game player, has x-factor of a Rioli just on a different level
3. Will come absolutely dirt cheap ( 2 seasons out of him is less risky than a pick 60 in the draft)
4. We are still firmly in our window and have lost almost a thousand games of experience

Put it this way, we are replacing Osborne with Chappy, this = huge win hfc

Bring Chappy in, deal Longer and maybe somehow work Docherty into the deal and we have done extremely well. Docherty has break the line speed and top end skills, certainly can develop into a mid. We then go into the draft obviously compromised however it may then open up the chance to have a free shot at Garlett, you never know with Burger and Rioli as well as Hill and Anderson he may flourish?

He'd have to be a real Drongo to think we need Chapman on our list, I'd pull Goo back from retirement than have Chapman on their list, shit why did Geelong off load him wake up he's shot.
 

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Can anyone fill me in If we manage to upgrade our first pick in the draft does the buddy compo come in to play then? So say we got pick 2 from Melbourne do we also get pick three for buddy?

Cause Hypothetically
Savage + Sewell and steak knives to Melbourne pick's 2+3 for Nath Fyfe ????
Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. Compo picks are based on original draft pick order, so our Buddy compo will stay sub 18.
 

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He'd have to be a real Drongo to think we need Chapman on our list, I'd pull Goo back from retirement than have Chapman on their list, shit why did Geelong off load him wake up he's shot.
He's last game would suggest exactly that! If we got 15 games out of him plus finals and we get a flag I'm sure your view will differ.
 

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If everyone who is against Chappy could look outside the square and realise as a business proposition it makes a lot of sense.

1. It intensifies our rivalry with Geelong, imagine the marketing that would go on? You could almost guarantee 85k
2. He is a big game player, has x-factor of a Rioli just on a different level
3. Will come absolutely dirt cheap ( 2 seasons out of him is less risky than a pick 60 in the draft)
4. We are still firmly in our window and have lost almost a thousand games of experience

Put it this way, we are replacing Osborne with Chappy, this = huge win hfc

Bring Chappy in, deal Longer and maybe somehow work Docherty into the deal and we have done extremely well. Docherty has break the line speed and top end skills, certainly can develop into a mid. We then go into the draft obviously compromised however it may then open up the chance to have a free shot at Garlett, you never know with Burger and Rioli as well as Hill and Anderson he may flourish?
Chaps had a great career with the cats but his great final. Singular. Consisted of seagulling and harassing his own team mates out of the ball

Unless you want him to school our guys in the great art of cheating. Plus he was offered reduced games contravt with geelong, which e rejected
 

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He'd have to be a real Drongo to think we need Chapman on our list, I'd pull Goo back from retirement than have Chapman on their list, shit why did Geelong off load him wake up he's shot.

Top marks for the use of "drongo" on this Forum.

Too right, ya dingbat!

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Can anyone fill me in If we manage to upgrade our first pick in the draft does the buddy compo come in to play then? So say we got pick 2 from Melbourne do we also get pick three for buddy?

Cause Hypothetically
Savage + Sewell and steak knives to Melbourne pick's 2+3 for Nath Fyfe ????

Its tied to your original position even if you trade in or out picks
 

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I have a feeling the Pies are going to kill this draft again with all them first round picks. Hopefully we can find a way in to the earlier picks and pick up some great midfield prospects available.
 

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I have a feeling the Pies are going to kill this draft again with all them first round picks. Hopefully we can find a way in to the earlier picks and pick up some great midfield prospects available.

I'm not getting all the "Collingwood's killing it" posts.
Where are the great players they have picked up recently?

Or is there sarcasm out there that I'm too dumb to get?

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I'm not getting all the "Collingwood's killing it" posts.
Where are the great players they have picked up recently?

Or is there sarcasm out there that I'm too dumb to get?

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They picked up Grundy who was the best available ruck and has made an instant impact. Kennedy who has done well for a first year player as well as Broomhead who has good potential. They did well in last year's trade period despite picking up Young and Lynch but Lynch especially was basically a deal of getting him and pick 20 for Dawes. That's not too bad replacing one average player with another for near enough a first round pick.

I'm hoping we do the same thing this year and get 3 very close picks so that we can basically get what we need and quickly in the draft.
 
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They picked up Grundy who was the best available ruck and has made an instant impact. Kennedy who has done well for a first year player as well as Broomhead who has good potential. They did well in last year's trade period despite picking up Young and Lynch but Lynch especially was basically a deal of getting him and pick 20 for Dawes. That's not too bad replacing one average player with another for near enough a first round pick.

I'm hoping we do the same thing this year and get 3 very close picks so that we can basically get what we need and quickly in the draft.
The fact they got young and lynch is rolled in with their assessment of it being a dominant trade period.

They did well with the draft picks, and they traded out Dawes and Wellingham to get those picks takes some of the gloss off.

If lynch or young were playing well I would be in admiration of them, but they had the same old problems in 2013 - Cloke the only forward that threatened, and a lack of damaging outside run. (And a defensive mindset).

Grundy is a ripper - but it hasn't really advanced their overall list too much because they got rid of two effective role players (when Dawes wasn't forced to play ruck) and replaced them with two plodders.
 

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Sounds like this draft is pretty shallow.

Be happy if we trade our compo pick or pick 17 to Brisbane for Longer
Compo pick: Midfielder - best available
2nd round: Dayle Garlett (worth the risk given the potential benefit and our lack of low picks recently)
3rd round: Upgrade Langford

Done. Minimum three picks taken.
 
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Sounds like this draft is pretty shallow.

Be happy if we trade our compo pick or pick 17 to Brisbane for Longer
Compo pick: Midfielder - best available
2nd round: Dayle Garlett (worth the risk given the potential benefit and our lack of low picks recently)
3rd round: Upgrade Langford

Done. Minimum three picks taken.
Lots of people are saying its a shallow draft (and they'd all know better than me)

But floating Sewell and savaged around- we could have an abundance of 2nd and third round picks.

Which recent drafts have also been called shallow? How did we fare in those recent years?
 

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Playing list manager for a second, ignore this if you're not interested in a bunch of complicated hypotheticals that won't happen.

It seems that Essendon are not satisfied with pick 22 for Crameri, and given that Essendon are supposedly interested in Sewell, perhaps we could facilitate a three way trade between the clubs?

Something like

WBD gain: Crameri, pick 52 (Hawthorn)
WBD lose: pick 22, pick 38
ESS gain: pick 22, Sewell
ESS lose: Crameri, pick 44
HAW gain: pick 38 (Dogs), pick 44 (Essendon)
HAW lose: Sewell, pick 52

Then looking at the Savage trade, I don't think we will be able to gain Carlton's first round pick, even as an upgrade on our first, so inevitably, I think we will get 28 and some pick swaps. I don't think it's fair but it is what it is. Sav wants to go and I don't think we'll force his hand unless Carlton are unreasonable.

CARL gain: Savage, pick 38
HAW gain: pick 28, pick 29

Then finally there is the Longer trade. I don't think our first on it's own would be quite enough. And with Brisbane's list situation, I think we could also offer Grimley in a trade. Some will shout me down but remember when Lisle was the next big thing? I'm willing to gamble that Grimley won't be much special at AFL level.

BRIS gain: pick 19, Grimley
HAW gain: Longer

Now I'm aware that convoluted trade scenarios made up on BigFooty never actually eventuate but I just did this for a bit of fun. Ultimately this would leave us with an overall of:

IN: Longer, pick 28, pick 29, pick 44
OUT: Savage, Sewell, pick 19, pick 52

Ultimately with Franklin, Ellis, Guerra, Osborne and Bailey not being on our list next year, we would end up going into the draft with picks 18, 28, 29, 34 and 44. Possibly upgrading Langford/Ceglar if we think we're better off delisting a couple more players.
 

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This thread is living up to its title.

as far as I know we are the current premiers which means our list can't be that bad. I also think that we shouldn't be looking too far down the track - our window is HERE and NOW - we should be putting everything into winning next year

OK so we lost Franklin and that is huge not just for the BUddy factor but for the fact he kicked 60 goals this year and probably would have won the Coleman Medal if he played every game.

The good news is we have the guy who did won the Coleman Medal. Roughead just needs to play as a permanent forward - Hale out of the goal square Gunston the roaming target, Breust Rioli and Puopolo to do what they did this year and we look alright - maybe we might think about a third tallish flanker who can kick 30-40 goals type but really we are OK up forward (and has plenty of people have said their is Shoenmakers who could play up forward). Paul Chapman's name has come up and he could be useful deep into September - a luxury but certainly not a necessity

The defense of Hawthorn is strong - everyone talks about our fire power up forward but no one ever acknowledges just how damn good our back six are and have been this year. Brian Lake is a Norm Smith medalist and can play on any forward in the league. Josh Gibson is the Crimmins medalist and the partnership they have makes it very difficult for other teams to take hold of us. Stratton is the most versatile defender going around able to play on the third tall or dangerous smalls. Birchall's run was crucial for us and any one of Hodge, Mitchell and Burgoyne playing out of defense has added both hardness and skills. Shoenmakers will be back or forward but will be back. The loss of Guerra will be bigger than the loss of Franklin (for team structure and balance and hardness at the ball) BUT at least this year we started grooming an understudy in Duryea. We also have Suckling though I see him as a liability in the back half - I think he's real position should be on a wing on HHF where his weapon can be used to maximum effect. So again I don't see the real need to recruit specifically for the defense

So that leaves the midfield where we once again have the call for too many aging slow mids. That previously was not enough outside run - but Isaac Smith and Brad Hill seemed to have stopped that problem - and will now only get better with a flag under their belts. SO its back to the Mitchell, Burgoyne, Sewell, Hodge Lewis being too slow and on their last legs. Mitchell should be right to go around again ditto Hodge. Burgoyne does worry me a little but he is so efficient with the ball and has the versatility to play as a defender and a forward as well as a mid. Lewis can have spells up forward and was the one in our midfield who I think had the most disappointing year (I know most finger Sewell for that but I think you are wrong). Sewell's lack of versatility sees him in the cross hairs. We have a group of young mids clammouring for a game (Hallaran, Anderson, Langford) and I think Sewell is only being moved on to give them game time. Having said that personally I wouldn't be off loading him or Savage as they are both quality players. Come September there is no one I'd like to see more than Brad Sewell running out for us.

So where does that leave us for trade week?With the retirement of Bailey I really think we only need one ruckman - preferably the best going.

If it were up to me (and it's not) I would entertain the trade for Longer - but I would also take most of the spare Buddy cash and throw it at a short term 1-2 year contract on Dean Cox - the West Coast have got Nic Nat, Lycett and a couple of other good young ruckmen. They are out of their premiership window and the other veterans in that team (Kerr, Embley and A Selwood) have all retired. Playing Cox is halting their development and the big guy might like one last tilt at premiership glory. He's also a free agent which means we don't need to satisfy a trade with the Weagles.

If we do lose players to other clubs then I'd like our trading to be not for other players but the ruthless pursuit of higher draft picks - bundling the player with a draft pick for a higher one.

those are just my thoughts
 

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According to the AFL website, Brisbane want pick 18 + something else (probably a player). They also want Savage but they want him as a separate deal. Why not just include it in one deal? As far as I'm concerned Brisbane can go get stuffed.
 
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